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  • ChristopherD Christopher

    @mewsleah @cstross Basic balancing your bank balance is there in the app or online that your bank provides. Of course bank always provided statements, but the difference now is you can have it in real time, any time.

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    @dearlove @cstross oops, sorry! didn't realise you were fishing for an argument

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    • Nigel WadsworthN Nigel Wadsworth

      @cstross I just asked Gemini to create one for us in Australia. Might try it later… just not sure…

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      @nygl @cstross I feel like these are evidence these things are becoming aware and actively working to kill us.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        @tofugolem Expert system, not "expertise" system, and no, not really, that's not what they're for (did a course on designing them circa 1990)

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        @cstross
        My apologies

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

          Notes for Americans:

          1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

          2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

          3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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          @cstross this is still ok, right?

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          • tautologyT tautology

            @barnesmaurice @ssilvonen @cstross Food, beer, a warm sheep and companions. Wait, 'OW MUCH! Nah, tha can all bugger off and leave me t'misen.

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            #183

            @tautology @ssilvonen @cstross The mist on't moor, yer best homing pigeon at yer breast an't sound o't chippy van bell in't distance. "Kathy yer daft begger, you'll catch yer death, gerroff'om wi'yer sen."

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

              Notes for Americans:

              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

              Elaine CoatesE This user is from outside of this forum
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              #184

              @cstross So here’s what I don’t understand. If I search “How to wire a UK plug” and ignore the AI, the first handful of sites I checked all have correct wiring diagrams. There must be hundreds of correct diagrams online. So if the AI is basing its answers on what it finds, why is it getting this wrong? It should be easier to get it right than wrong !

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              • SchroedingerS Schroedinger

                @cstross And the reason that pre-fitted plugs were made mandatory was because so many people didn't know how to correctly wire one.

                Which I find intensely depressing, as I have known how to wire one from very young.

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                @SteveClough @cstross We still teach it in some ~15yo science classes, but having assisted in some of them it can end up being "little enough knowledge to be dangerous". Students who didn't entirely nail it may be left with false confidence. Should be taught later, 5th or 6th year (17/18), when students are a bit older and more motivated.

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                • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

                  @cstross this is still ok, right?

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                  mhoye
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                  @th @cstross

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                  • Elaine CoatesE Elaine Coates

                    @cstross So here’s what I don’t understand. If I search “How to wire a UK plug” and ignore the AI, the first handful of sites I checked all have correct wiring diagrams. There must be hundreds of correct diagrams online. So if the AI is basing its answers on what it finds, why is it getting this wrong? It should be easier to get it right than wrong !

                    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @elaine1helen AIs are *generative* and they're designed to generate an answer shaped object, not provide an *actual* answer.

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                    • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

                      @cstross this is still ok, right?

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                      #188

                      @th @cstross The hidden marvels of BS1363!

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                      • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

                        @cstross this is still ok, right?

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                        @th @cstross well in terms of electrical connections this is how many double insulated/unearthed appliances (such as phone chargers) already do it in the UK, except they hide the lack of connection of the earth prong inside a regular UK plug or 2-pin adapter.
                        Still I'd rather not do it as shown.

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                        • Erik JonkerE Erik Jonker

                          @cstross I am fully aware of all it's limitations , there is an awful lot of AI bullshit around, but actually also a considerable amount of useful applications

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                          @ErikJonker @cstross *its

                          And *it's* easy to identify the ai techbro dickbag shills.

                          There is no good from LLMs, the evil they wrought is overwhelmingly superior to any hurrr-useful trivial bullshit.

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                          • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

                            @cstross this is still ok, right?

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                            @th @cstross I mean, I have a ‘universal’ travel adapter that literally just provides a little rectangular plastic pin to insert in the ground slot of a type g socket to open the shutters for the two other pins.

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                              Notes for Americans:

                              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                              @cstross aha, that's how the electrician learned to wire up this socket then.

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                              • RolloTreadwayR RolloTreadway

                                @cstross @zakalwe There's not much that's good about the UK, but our plugs are exceptional.

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                                @RolloTreadway @cstross @zakalwe
                                UK plugs and outlets are brilliant. A power switch — ON THE OUTLET! I love them.

                                US plugs: Eh, maybe it'll stay in if I bend the prongs a bit ...

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                                • Albert HickeyW Albert Hickey

                                  @cstross

                                  Copilot just now with prompt.
                                  show me a picture to explain how to wire a UK plug

                                  Interested in the Earth being a 4th pin and the Earth pin having a live (coloured) wire going to it.
                                  Also, a screw labelled as LIVE is concerning.

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                                  @winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

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                                  • DarrenD Darren

                                    @winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

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                                    @DJDarren @cstross @winkleink Looks perfectly fine to me.

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                                    • DarrenD Darren

                                      @winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

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                                      @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross at least this one won’t burn your house down?

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                                      • Josh :everything_bagel:J Josh :everything_bagel:

                                        @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross at least this one won’t burn your house down?

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                                        @josh0 @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross

                                        Yeah that fuse will last about 0.001 seconds. Safe! 👍

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                                        • DarrenD Darren

                                          @winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

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                                          @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross I was going to say that at least that fuse blew when I just looked at that diagram, but on second thought, that's impossible.

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