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@tofugolem Expert system, not "expertise" system, and no, not really, that's not what they're for (did a course on designing them circa 1990)
@cstross
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RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996
Notes for Americans:
1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).
2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.
3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.
@cstross this is still ok, right?
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@barnesmaurice @ssilvonen @cstross Food, beer, a warm sheep and companions. Wait, 'OW MUCH! Nah, tha can all bugger off and leave me t'misen.
@tautology @ssilvonen @cstross The mist on't moor, yer best homing pigeon at yer breast an't sound o't chippy van bell in't distance. "Kathy yer daft begger, you'll catch yer death, gerroff'om wi'yer sen."
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RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996
Notes for Americans:
1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).
2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.
3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.
@cstross So here’s what I don’t understand. If I search “How to wire a UK plug” and ignore the AI, the first handful of sites I checked all have correct wiring diagrams. There must be hundreds of correct diagrams online. So if the AI is basing its answers on what it finds, why is it getting this wrong? It should be easier to get it right than wrong !
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@cstross And the reason that pre-fitted plugs were made mandatory was because so many people didn't know how to correctly wire one.
Which I find intensely depressing, as I have known how to wire one from very young.
@SteveClough @cstross We still teach it in some ~15yo science classes, but having assisted in some of them it can end up being "little enough knowledge to be dangerous". Students who didn't entirely nail it may be left with false confidence. Should be taught later, 5th or 6th year (17/18), when students are a bit older and more motivated.
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@cstross this is still ok, right?
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@cstross So here’s what I don’t understand. If I search “How to wire a UK plug” and ignore the AI, the first handful of sites I checked all have correct wiring diagrams. There must be hundreds of correct diagrams online. So if the AI is basing its answers on what it finds, why is it getting this wrong? It should be easier to get it right than wrong !
@elaine1helen AIs are *generative* and they're designed to generate an answer shaped object, not provide an *actual* answer.
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@cstross this is still ok, right?
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@cstross this is still ok, right?
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@cstross I am fully aware of all it's limitations , there is an awful lot of AI bullshit around, but actually also a considerable amount of useful applications
@ErikJonker @cstross *its
And *it's* easy to identify the ai techbro dickbag shills.
There is no good from LLMs, the evil they wrought is overwhelmingly superior to any hurrr-useful trivial bullshit.
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@cstross this is still ok, right?
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RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996
Notes for Americans:
1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).
2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.
3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.
@cstross aha, that's how the electrician learned to wire up this socket then.
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@RolloTreadway @cstross @zakalwe
UK plugs and outlets are brilliant. A power switch — ON THE OUTLET! I love them.US plugs: Eh, maybe it'll stay in if I bend the prongs a bit ...
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Copilot just now with prompt.
show me a picture to explain how to wire a UK plugInterested in the Earth being a 4th pin and the Earth pin having a live (coloured) wire going to it.
Also, a screw labelled as LIVE is concerning.@winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.
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@winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.
@DJDarren @cstross @winkleink Looks perfectly fine to me.
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@winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.
@DJDarren @winkleink @cstross at least this one won’t burn your house down?
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@DJDarren @winkleink @cstross at least this one won’t burn your house down?
@josh0 @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross
Yeah that fuse will last about 0.001 seconds. Safe!
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@winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.
@DJDarren @winkleink @cstross I was going to say that at least that fuse blew when I just looked at that diagram, but on second thought, that's impossible.
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RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996
Notes for Americans:
1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).
2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.
3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.
@cstross An observation that if an appliance did come with a pre-wired plug (nb not moulded ones), that didn't mean they were safe. First thing I learnt to do was check the wiring. Yikes in so many cases.
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@dresstokilt I'm talking about the UK. Where EVERYTHING runs on 230v and nothing came with a plug prior to 1992. Read for context!
@cstross ooooh thought you were talking about the US. I did know that about the UK.
