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  • Dan O'GinnecD Dan O'Ginnec

    @Sie @nygl @cstross

    This is what you get if you use a very old Generative AI:

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    @DanKen @Sie @nygl @cstross Surprisingly charming, in its way.

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    • Dan O'GinnecD Dan O'Ginnec

      @Sie @nygl @cstross

      This is what you get if you use a very old Generative AI:

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      @DanKen @Sie @nygl @cstross alt-text on point, historical accuracy difficult to verify

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      • C.S.StrowbridgeC C.S.Strowbridge

        @cstross

        "1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances (they were sold without pre-molded plugs)."

        This is such a stupid thing.

        The plug itself is very good, but having to wire it yourself is painfully dumb.

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        @csstrowbridge The change was a decade or two later than it needed to be, but there was a time (1950s/60s) when requiring electrical items to be sold without a plug made sense. Much existing house wiring had not yet been converted to BS1363 sockets which was not a simple matter of replacing the socket. Given that “everybody” knew how to wire their local plug design it wasn't a big deal.

        @cstross

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        • NfoonfN Nfoonf

          @cstross yeah right….

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          @Nfoonf @cstross I mean these are great if you're making male-male cables, they save so much time.

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          • Ratsnake GamesR Ratsnake Games

            @Sie @nygl @cstross No no, this one is for Europeean Schuko Plugs. Completely different thing.

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            @ratsnakegames @Sie @nygl @cstross Oh, wow, the AI piss filter now affects words, too.

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            • Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:R Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:

              @cstross @auxonic blive implies the existence of bneutral and bground?

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              @cstross @auxonic @ryanc actually the opposite of blive is bpre-recorded, which can lead to embarrassing blipsynch fails

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                @mpjgregoire @jbayes Because NOTHING was sold with a pre-molded plug until it was required by law from 1992. (This is the UK we're talking about.)

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                @cstross
                I believe you that suppliers weren't forced to sell with plugs before 1992, but why didn't they choose to do so? Given the choice, wouldn't consumers have preferred to pay a couple of pounds extra and to buy the kettle that they didn't need to wire themselves?

                @jbayes

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                • M. GrégoireM M. Grégoire

                  @cstross
                  I believe you that suppliers weren't forced to sell with plugs before 1992, but why didn't they choose to do so? Given the choice, wouldn't consumers have preferred to pay a couple of pounds extra and to buy the kettle that they didn't need to wire themselves?

                  @jbayes

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                  @mpjgregoire @jbayes They didn't fit plugs because doing so would have cost them money *and nobody else was doing so*. Plugs were sold separately to consumers. Every corner shop sold them!

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    @cjwatson @lispi314 I haven't needed it in a couple of decades either, but still, I know how not to kill myself (get @feorag to do it for me).

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                    @cstross @cjwatson @lispi314 @feorag
                    As it happens, I wired up a 13A plug a couple of weeks ago. Being able to replace dangerous leads on appliances is a useful life skill.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                      Notes for Americans:

                      1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                      2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                      3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                      @cstross Gosh, is it really as long ago as 1992? I was just thinking the other day it had been a while since I last wired up a plug. How time flies.

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                      • Brian SwetlandS Brian Swetland

                        @cstross Suspected it might be something like that. Deferring to the appliance/device purchaser is a fascinating approach.

                        I grew up during the conversion to grounded outlets and from Bell System to Modular phone jacks, so it's not like we didn't have plenty of connector weirdness on this side of the pond too.

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                        @swetland @cstross Yes, you might have needed one of the round pin variants. I'm old enough to have seen some of the sockets in old buildings but I've never needed to wire up a round pin plug.

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                        • Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦S Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦

                          @cstross Gosh, is it really as long ago as 1992? I was just thinking the other day it had been a while since I last wired up a plug. How time flies.

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                          @statsguy I can't remember when I last wrote a cheque, either!

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                            Notes for Americans:

                            1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                            2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                            3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                            @cstross ...i hate to break the news but AI is a "tool" that has it's uses but also it's limitations, AI is great for several things but certainly not for this... The movement calling everything AI "slop", should be replaced by a serious discussion how and when to use AI (and when not).

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                            • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶  #FBPET Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

                              @swetland @cstross Yes, you might have needed one of the round pin variants. I'm old enough to have seen some of the sockets in old buildings but I've never needed to wire up a round pin plug.

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                              @TimWardCam @swetland The house I grew up in was only rewired with modern sockets and ring mains in 1974. Before then it was all round-pin sockets (two sizes, small ones for lamps only).

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                              • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶  #FBPET Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

                                @swetland @cstross Yes, you might have needed one of the round pin variants. I'm old enough to have seen some of the sockets in old buildings but I've never needed to wire up a round pin plug.

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                                @swetland @cstross You can still buy the plugs separately of course - you might want to do something like build your own extension lead.

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                                • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶  #FBPET Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

                                  @swetland @cstross Yes, you might have needed one of the round pin variants. I'm old enough to have seen some of the sockets in old buildings but I've never needed to wire up a round pin plug.

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                                  @TimWardCam @swetland @cstross 5A lighting circuits use round pin plugs. We have a couple of those in our 2009 house to allow us switch on a couple of small table lights. So I have wired round pin plugs in a modern house.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    @TimWardCam @swetland The house I grew up in was only rewired with modern sockets and ring mains in 1974. Before then it was all round-pin sockets (two sizes, small ones for lamps only).

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                                    @cstross @swetland Yes, I remember there were two sizes, what I don't remember was the precise mix of two- and three-pin variants.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @statsguy I can't remember when I last wrote a cheque, either!

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                                      @cstross Nor can I, now you come to mention it.

                                      Though I was just discussing with someone recently about when I last sent a fax, which was sometime around 2013, give or take. Probably several years after the penultimate time I sent a fax, but I was communicating with my bank, and weirdly it was the only way they could accept correspondence about what I wanted to talk to them about.

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                                      • Erik JonkerE Erik Jonker

                                        @cstross ...i hate to break the news but AI is a "tool" that has it's uses but also it's limitations, AI is great for several things but certainly not for this... The movement calling everything AI "slop", should be replaced by a serious discussion how and when to use AI (and when not).

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                                        @ErikJonker Shocking to you, I know, but I think the stuff currently sold as AI is bullshit.

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                                          @cstross
                                          Pretty though 😉

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