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  • tautologyT tautology

    @cstross I do these threads every so often. My most recent one was on my Bluesky where I got four LLMs to draw maps progressively getting more zoomed in (the World, Europe, UK, Yorkshire, York).

    Things got worse each time you zoomed in, sometimes with "memories" from the previous image. My favourite was the attached version of Yorkshire.

    I'll do another one in a month or two.

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    @tautology @cstross Scotland was destroyed during the war.

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    • tautologyT tautology

      @cstross I do these threads every so often. My most recent one was on my Bluesky where I got four LLMs to draw maps progressively getting more zoomed in (the World, Europe, UK, Yorkshire, York).

      Things got worse each time you zoomed in, sometimes with "memories" from the previous image. My favourite was the attached version of Yorkshire.

      I'll do another one in a month or two.

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      @cstross @tautology I love the network of rivers that connect and cross all over the place. Let's see who can define the watershed....

      I assume Scotland has gained ultimate geological independence and is somewhere to the north of RIVRI TEMS (?).

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

        Notes for Americans:

        1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

        2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

        3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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        @cstross omg that's painful to even look at

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        • Nigel WadsworthN Nigel Wadsworth

          @cstross I just asked Gemini to create one for us in Australia. Might try it later… just not sure…

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          @nygl @cstross This is a great idea to keep plugs from being accidentally kicked loose!

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          • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

            @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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            @Sie @nygl @cstross WTF is that???

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            • Jacobo Da Riva MuñozJ Jacobo Da Riva Muñoz

              @Sie @nygl @cstross WTF is that???

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              @jdrm @Sie @nygl Congratulations, you've discovered the thread about what happens if you ask various LLMs how to correctly wire up different types of mains plug (starting with British ones: all the suggestions are an electrocution hazard) …

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                @jdrm @Sie @nygl Congratulations, you've discovered the thread about what happens if you ask various LLMs how to correctly wire up different types of mains plug (starting with British ones: all the suggestions are an electrocution hazard) …

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                @cstross @jdrm @Sie @nygl

                You could have just said: "Congratulations, you've discovered the thread about what happens if you ask various LLMs."

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                  @cstross ah yes people often make the mistake of confusing live and blive. Thankfully this diagram makes it very clear which is which

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                  • Dan O'GinnecD Dan O'Ginnec

                    @Sie @nygl @cstross

                    This is what you get if you use a very old Generative AI:

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                    @DanKen @Sie @nygl @cstross Surprisingly charming, in its way.

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                    • Dan O'GinnecD Dan O'Ginnec

                      @Sie @nygl @cstross

                      This is what you get if you use a very old Generative AI:

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                      @DanKen @Sie @nygl @cstross alt-text on point, historical accuracy difficult to verify

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                      • C.S.StrowbridgeC C.S.Strowbridge

                        @cstross

                        "1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances (they were sold without pre-molded plugs)."

                        This is such a stupid thing.

                        The plug itself is very good, but having to wire it yourself is painfully dumb.

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                        @csstrowbridge The change was a decade or two later than it needed to be, but there was a time (1950s/60s) when requiring electrical items to be sold without a plug made sense. Much existing house wiring had not yet been converted to BS1363 sockets which was not a simple matter of replacing the socket. Given that “everybody” knew how to wire their local plug design it wasn't a big deal.

                        @cstross

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                        • NfoonfN Nfoonf

                          @cstross yeah right….

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                          @Nfoonf @cstross I mean these are great if you're making male-male cables, they save so much time.

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                          • Ratsnake GamesR Ratsnake Games

                            @Sie @nygl @cstross No no, this one is for Europeean Schuko Plugs. Completely different thing.

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                            @ratsnakegames @Sie @nygl @cstross Oh, wow, the AI piss filter now affects words, too.

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                            • Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:R Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:

                              @cstross @auxonic blive implies the existence of bneutral and bground?

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                              @cstross @auxonic @ryanc actually the opposite of blive is bpre-recorded, which can lead to embarrassing blipsynch fails

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                @mpjgregoire @jbayes Because NOTHING was sold with a pre-molded plug until it was required by law from 1992. (This is the UK we're talking about.)

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                                @cstross
                                I believe you that suppliers weren't forced to sell with plugs before 1992, but why didn't they choose to do so? Given the choice, wouldn't consumers have preferred to pay a couple of pounds extra and to buy the kettle that they didn't need to wire themselves?

                                @jbayes

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                                • M. GrégoireM M. Grégoire

                                  @cstross
                                  I believe you that suppliers weren't forced to sell with plugs before 1992, but why didn't they choose to do so? Given the choice, wouldn't consumers have preferred to pay a couple of pounds extra and to buy the kettle that they didn't need to wire themselves?

                                  @jbayes

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                                  @mpjgregoire @jbayes They didn't fit plugs because doing so would have cost them money *and nobody else was doing so*. Plugs were sold separately to consumers. Every corner shop sold them!

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    @cjwatson @lispi314 I haven't needed it in a couple of decades either, but still, I know how not to kill myself (get @feorag to do it for me).

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                                    @cstross @cjwatson @lispi314 @feorag
                                    As it happens, I wired up a 13A plug a couple of weeks ago. Being able to replace dangerous leads on appliances is a useful life skill.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                                      Notes for Americans:

                                      1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                                      2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                                      3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                                      @cstross Gosh, is it really as long ago as 1992? I was just thinking the other day it had been a while since I last wired up a plug. How time flies.

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                                      • Brian SwetlandS Brian Swetland

                                        @cstross Suspected it might be something like that. Deferring to the appliance/device purchaser is a fascinating approach.

                                        I grew up during the conversion to grounded outlets and from Bell System to Modular phone jacks, so it's not like we didn't have plenty of connector weirdness on this side of the pond too.

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                                        @swetland @cstross Yes, you might have needed one of the round pin variants. I'm old enough to have seen some of the sockets in old buildings but I've never needed to wire up a round pin plug.

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                                        • Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦S Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦

                                          @cstross Gosh, is it really as long ago as 1992? I was just thinking the other day it had been a while since I last wired up a plug. How time flies.

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                                          @statsguy I can't remember when I last wrote a cheque, either!

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