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Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

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  • H hadriscus@jlai.lu

    yea that’s just playing on semantics. Of course machine learning will keep assisting many different workflows, thank you Tim.
    Go ahead with your ML-assisted procedural animations, your ML-enhanced denoising, your ML-powered stochastic mesh pruning.

    What people don’t want is generated visuals/music that try and pass off as art. I’d love to summon debility to explain that the ruling class doesn’t get it, but they do -it’s a convenient way for them to save on human labor that is also… just too tempting to use for replacing art as well.

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    1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
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    #108

    AI generated visuals and music are one thing, but one use of AI in that category is giving NPCs actually interesting things to say.

    Currently, without AI, they have one or two lines about the weather, or the general state of affairs, but if you can pass an LLM the current state of the world and the player’s recent actions, then run the output through a tts model tuned to a distinct voice to, you’d be making the world feel way deeper than it is now with much more insightful interactions. You could maybe go even further and add infinite mini-quests in a similar manner, but it’s better to start off small.

    AI doesn’t have to replace, and the best studios will use it to enhance and add to their art, the average ones will avoid it, and the worst ones will use it to replace art.

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      iontempted@lemmynsfw.com
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      #109

      I’ve said this before that typically people don’t know what they are talking about AI, but I don’t expect this from people who SHOULD know what AI is.

      There could be technologies that AI can assist with, hell I’m not a game dev but I assume even back in the day, devs used tricks and technologies that today could be considered as AI

      However AI as in it will write you code, generate you a game and write you a story? Hell no.

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      • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

        Handmade clothes may be not the norm but they are not extinct. Dresses, scarfs and accesorising can be found handmade. Luxury market is in majority handmade.

        The point is that the label is not pointless. It exist and will exist in the future. I just hope that games with human art won’t be considered a luxury.

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        bcsven@lemmy.ca
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        #110

        I think a lot of what was art will die, you have logo generators and random people image generators that used to be done by a graphic artist, or a photgrapher.

        Link Preview Image
        ThisPersonDoesNotExist - Random AI Generated Photos of Fake Persons

        Generate random human face in 1 click and download it! AI generated fake person photos: man, woman or child.

        favicon

        (this-person-does-not-exist.com)

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        • C cashsky@sh.itjust.works

          As if down voting me is going to make the AI problem go away. Lemmy baffles me. People on here are the most pro FOSS but luddites at the same time when it comes to AI.

          There is no going back from anyone this. We are gonna have to figure out how to live with the consequences of AI. We should be making a lot more noise about AI to law makers. It’s coming for all of our jobs now matter what sector you work in. At some point people are going to have to accept it and make the best of it.

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          strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          #111

          People on here are the most pro FOSS but luddites at the same time when it comes to AI.

          This is consistent. Do you realize who the Luddites were?

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          • C chunes@lemmy.world

            Never thought I’d agree with Tim Sweeney on anything.

            John Carmack has a good take on AI in game dev too.

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            rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
            wrote on last edited by rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
            #112

            There’s a huge difference between AI for behind the scenes things, and AI artwork, animation, and voices.

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            • 1 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de

              AI generated visuals and music are one thing, but one use of AI in that category is giving NPCs actually interesting things to say.

              Currently, without AI, they have one or two lines about the weather, or the general state of affairs, but if you can pass an LLM the current state of the world and the player’s recent actions, then run the output through a tts model tuned to a distinct voice to, you’d be making the world feel way deeper than it is now with much more insightful interactions. You could maybe go even further and add infinite mini-quests in a similar manner, but it’s better to start off small.

              AI doesn’t have to replace, and the best studios will use it to enhance and add to their art, the average ones will avoid it, and the worst ones will use it to replace art.

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              bthest
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              #113

              And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.

              So yeah, have fun with that.

              And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.

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                feathercrown@lemmy.world
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                #114

                This is why Epic is losing lol

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                • M monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world

                  Waste of ink really

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                  scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  #115

                  People are all gonna die, eventually. Might as well get it over with.

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                  • B bthest

                    And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.

                    So yeah, have fun with that.

                    And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.

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                    1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
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                    #116

                    It’d be a small model run locally, taking up maybe half a GB of VRAM

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                    • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                      This is why Epic is losing lol

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                      appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      #117

                      Agreed.
                      What does it cost them to make a checkbox and show the value to the customer?

                      If they fear it, they know that the knowledge will make me think twice on buying it.

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                      • iontempted@lemmynsfw.comI iontempted@lemmynsfw.com

                        I’ve said this before that typically people don’t know what they are talking about AI, but I don’t expect this from people who SHOULD know what AI is.

                        There could be technologies that AI can assist with, hell I’m not a game dev but I assume even back in the day, devs used tricks and technologies that today could be considered as AI

                        However AI as in it will write you code, generate you a game and write you a story? Hell no.

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                        appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #118

                        Yes, nuance is important

                        but
                        I’d argue that demanding the customer seller fill out a 20 page form on what the AI was used for (and additionally which model) would result in the opposite sentiment for the seller and customer.
                        Theres a line between too little and too much information.

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                        • S scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                          People are all gonna die, eventually. Might as well get it over with.

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                          appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          #119

                          The funeral services community liked that.

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                          • R rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world

                            There’s a huge difference between AI for behind the scenes things, and AI artwork, animation, and voices.

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                            appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            #120

                            Technical involvement/assistance: Sure, use whatever tools you have

                            Artistic: Hm…Maybe. Tell what it was used for and I can say if I agree with it.

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                            • B bthest

                              And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.

                              So yeah, have fun with that.

                              And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.

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                              appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              #121

                              In theory they could offer the ability in the settings to use the NPU if one is available.
                              Basically the same situation as it was with Raytracing.

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                                myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip
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                                He is funded by tencent. Of course he will push ai.

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                                  mehblah@lemmy.world
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                                  Just go ahead and admit you can’t sell games anymore sweeney.

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                                    hayvan@feddit.nl
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                                    Bad title, he’s not an epic CEO at all.

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                                      loafedburrito@lemmy.world
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                                      Lucky for them, I won’t buy any new games. Too many fantastic older games to play that they didn’t cheat and cut corners to produce.

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                                        pyre@lemmy.world
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                                        there should be a law that says all CEOs must shut the fuck up always and forever

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                                          bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Yeah we are on the losing side of history. The future will be total ai slop. People love it. We will be the grumpy old folks yelling that the tv ruined the world.

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