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  3. I've been thinking about my observation that the five-or-do silos comprising the #ttrpg scene are ideological in nature.'nOne of the characteristics of ideology is that it totalises...

I've been thinking about my observation that the five-or-do silos comprising the #ttrpg scene are ideological in nature.'nOne of the characteristics of ideology is that it totalises...

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  • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

    I've been thinking about my observation that the five-or-so silos comprising the #ttrpg scene are ideological in nature.

    One of the characteristics of ideology is that it totalises... It's not just a school of thought but a vision of the world and you don't necessarily realise you have an ideology until you encounter someone who rejects it.

    I've noticed a few people claiming that 'Gamism' isn't a thing anymore but I would argue that it is about 80% of the hobby and *growing*

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      Those were some of my favourite fantasy writings growing up, I am always surprised how little they get referenced by RPG peeps.

      The pay off at the very end. You knew it was coming but... ooof...

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          Those were some of my favourite fantasy writings growing up, I am always surprised how little they get referenced by RPG peeps.

          The pay off at the very end. You knew it was coming but... ooof...

          @Taskerland @BigJackBrass @RogerBW

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            Is it that long? I must have read that when I was very young really.

            A staff of curdled light...

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              @Taskerland @Printdevil @BigJackBrass I don't think that can be quite right; ISFDB lists various editions of The Compleat Traveller in Black through the 1980s (and an ebook in 2014).

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                @Taskerland @Printdevil @BigJackBrass I don't think that can be quite right; ISFDB lists various editions of The Compleat Traveller in Black through the 1980s (and an ebook in 2014).

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                @RogerBW @Taskerland @Printdevil The collection I had was certainly an eighties paperback.

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                      @RogerBW @Taskerland @Printdevil The collection I had was certainly an eighties paperback.

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                        Either way I was certainly very young reading it. I just love the concept of the instigator, the one who turns the wheel in it all.

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                          Either way I was certainly very young reading it. I just love the concept of the instigator, the one who turns the wheel in it all.

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                              The Traveller has a goal, and an end, and the whole thing sort of ages in seasons. It's quite sad really. Certainly if you're 13

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                                      S. John Ross The idological thing feels very real and accurate to me, it’s just that the idologies aren’t “D&D” or “Blades/Apocalypse”. From what I’ve seen, it’s “tell me how to resolve this” vs “let me decide how to resolves this”. And while this often gets broken down as “rules-light” vs “rules-heavy”, or “rulings” vs “rules”, so many people play crunchier games like D&D in the latter way (and I play PF2e in the latter way) that it doesn’t quite break down in the prescribed way.

                                      But treating a very systematic game like Pathfinder 2 as a playground has caused me to run against the grain of that community so thoroughly that I can’t help but view it as being made up of people who don’t see tools or toolboxes, but orders and mandates. And I think those are the idologies at play here. The ideology of “high trust” tables vs “low trust” tables.

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                                        S. John Ross The idological thing feels very real and accurate to me, it’s just that the idologies aren’t “D&D” or “Blades/Apocalypse”. From what I’ve seen, it’s “tell me how to resolve this” vs “let me decide how to resolves this”. And while this often gets broken down as “rules-light” vs “rules-heavy”, or “rulings” vs “rules”, so many people play crunchier games like D&D in the latter way (and I play PF2e in the latter way) that it doesn’t quite break down in the prescribed way.

                                        But treating a very systematic game like Pathfinder 2 as a playground has caused me to run against the grain of that community so thoroughly that I can’t help but view it as being made up of people who don’t see tools or toolboxes, but orders and mandates. And I think those are the idologies at play here. The ideology of “high trust” tables vs “low trust” tables.

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                                          S. John Ross I’m gonna need you to describe what, exactly, is inflationary about it. Because the only thing I’m seeing here that’s even remotely inflationary is your aggressively haughty dismissiveness.

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