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  3. BioShock creator says "audiences reward" single-player games that don't have "other methods of monetization," like Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, and Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

BioShock creator says "audiences reward" single-player games that don't have "other methods of monetization," like Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2, and Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

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    alexc@lemmy.world
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    This is because we feel we paid for something that expects nothing in return.

    When you pay for a game that includes add ons and microtransactions, all of a sudden we‘re back to being a marketing target, and we implicitly know we‘re pushed to spend money.

    We play games to escape the real world…

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    • E evotech@lemmy.world

      Gamers reward good games

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      scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Unfortunately, they also reward bad games.

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      • A alexc@lemmy.world

        This is because we feel we paid for something that expects nothing in return.

        When you pay for a game that includes add ons and microtransactions, all of a sudden we‘re back to being a marketing target, and we implicitly know we‘re pushed to spend money.

        We play games to escape the real world…

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        thewriteraleph@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        More than that. When you buy a game with microtransactions in it, you’re volunteering to be a marketing target and paying for the privilege. Publishers aren’t trying to get everyone to buy mtx, only the people who bought the game. You’re giving them money and saying, “yes, I want to be targeted, please.”

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          grizzlyboy@lemmy.zip
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          There’s a difference between a game made with passion and a game by EA/Ubisoft.

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          • S slightlyincandescent@lemmy.world

            The type of monetisation that especially confuses me as a guy brought up on pre-internet era gaming is any kind of pay to win. You’re buying a game then paying extra money so you don’t have to then go through the tedious task of actually playing the game.

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            blackmist@feddit.uk
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            I’ve had a few games come with a handful of items for some reason, and very quickly learned to never use them.

            Pre order now and ruin the game!

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            • M maalus@lemmy.world

              Sealing / unsealing is 100% FOMO and I have seen people go “Ivara Prime is out now I need to play Warframe”. You can easily setup a system where you choose a rotation to go for when choosing a mission. It wouldn’t even split the playerbase since it only affects the rewards at the end. But they don’t, they do this song and dance about removing and bringing back specific weapons and warframes.

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              paddzr@lemmy.world
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              They already split it in 4 ways with lith neo meso and axi.

              I see your point, but missing out and the fear of it? I’m not sure. But maybe it’s because I’ve played for longer than some of these players have been alive for… There’s just so much that the whole “OMG I need this specific thing!!!” Doesn’t add up as there’s just so much good stuff in there and power creep has been insane prioritising new things or ever green items.

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                They already split it in 4 ways with lith neo meso and axi.

                I see your point, but missing out and the fear of it? I’m not sure. But maybe it’s because I’ve played for longer than some of these players have been alive for… There’s just so much that the whole “OMG I need this specific thing!!!” Doesn’t add up as there’s just so much good stuff in there and power creep has been insane prioritising new things or ever green items.

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                maalus@lemmy.world
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                There are various warframes that work completely different when they are prime. And yeah, you spending so much time with the game makes it that the things that it does bad seem normal to you.

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                • A alexc@lemmy.world

                  This is because we feel we paid for something that expects nothing in return.

                  When you pay for a game that includes add ons and microtransactions, all of a sudden we‘re back to being a marketing target, and we implicitly know we‘re pushed to spend money.

                  We play games to escape the real world…

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                  flipper@feddit.org
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                  I think it is okay to have a dlc IF it is fairly priced, there is proper content included and the base wasn’t gutted for it.

                  Positiv example would be Factorio. Negative example is Stellaris.

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                  • F flipper@feddit.org

                    I think it is okay to have a dlc IF it is fairly priced, there is proper content included and the base wasn’t gutted for it.

                    Positiv example would be Factorio. Negative example is Stellaris.

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                    seefoo@lemmy.world
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                    #80

                    I feel like owlcat has done a good job with this in their games. They feel complete and if you like the game there are DLCs with decent amounts of extra content. Also really like that the DLCs are integrated into the game (usually) and not just an extra chunk tacked on

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                    • S seefoo@lemmy.world

                      I feel like owlcat has done a good job with this in their games. They feel complete and if you like the game there are DLCs with decent amounts of extra content. Also really like that the DLCs are integrated into the game (usually) and not just an extra chunk tacked on

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                      lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works
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                      I feel like RimWorld has also done well with this

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                      • F flipper@feddit.org

                        I think it is okay to have a dlc IF it is fairly priced, there is proper content included and the base wasn’t gutted for it.

                        Positiv example would be Factorio. Negative example is Stellaris.

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                        alexc@lemmy.world
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                        Tend to agree about DLC - Some times the Devs have too many ideas - DLC is way to manage costs. But only if it expands the game

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                        • M maalus@lemmy.world

                          Sealing / unsealing is 100% FOMO and I have seen people go “Ivara Prime is out now I need to play Warframe”. You can easily setup a system where you choose a rotation to go for when choosing a mission. It wouldn’t even split the playerbase since it only affects the rewards at the end. But they don’t, they do this song and dance about removing and bringing back specific weapons and warframes.

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                          manticore@lemmy.nz
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                          You’re right that you can’t personally farm them, but you can still end up getting them from publics. The old relics are still operable. I have hundreds of old relics that I open as fodder, as do other regular players. And ofc trading. The surplus of old relics helps keep down trade prices because they’re still trickling into the market, albeit slower.

                          A better example is prime accessories. These are real-money only, and can only be bought from Prime Access (when a Prime is released) or a Prime Resurgence (Prime temporarily back for sale a year or so later). Stuff like Octavia Prime’s shawzin/sitar being $35 or gone for (effecively) forever.

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                          • F flipper@feddit.org

                            I think it is okay to have a dlc IF it is fairly priced, there is proper content included and the base wasn’t gutted for it.

                            Positiv example would be Factorio. Negative example is Stellaris.

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                            lifter@discuss.tchncs.de
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                            I’ve been wanting to spend more money towards the development of Factorio. I’ve played around 1500 hours before the DLC and they have very limited merch. While I am usually sceptical towards DLC in general, it was a no-brainer in this case.

                            They should sell some more merch though.

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                              randomgal@lemmy.ca
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                              Complete games. They are called complete games.

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                              • S seefoo@lemmy.world

                                I feel like owlcat has done a good job with this in their games. They feel complete and if you like the game there are DLCs with decent amounts of extra content. Also really like that the DLCs are integrated into the game (usually) and not just an extra chunk tacked on

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                                Ketram
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                                Agreed, Owlcat has always earned my money and then some, I think. Especially with the new rogue trader DLCs, which are all connected to the main story somehow and playable in a new playthrough.

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                                • S slightlyincandescent@lemmy.world

                                  The type of monetisation that especially confuses me as a guy brought up on pre-internet era gaming is any kind of pay to win. You’re buying a game then paying extra money so you don’t have to then go through the tedious task of actually playing the game.

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                                  ballgoat@lemmy.zip
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                                  I too grew up gaming in the pre internet era, and I love pay to win. My favorite is when they just let me press A and the rest of the game just unfolds and plays itself while I watch.

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