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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    @dresstokilt I'm talking about the UK. Where EVERYTHING runs on 230v and nothing came with a plug prior to 1992. Read for context!

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    @cstross ooooh thought you were talking about the US. I did know that about the UK.

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    • DarrenD Darren

      @winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

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      @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross On the contrary. I think he should be the *only* person required to use these instructions to wire up a plug.

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      • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

        @cstross this is still ok, right?

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        @th @cstross This made me quickly move my hands away from the phone. It still makes me uncomfortable just looking at it. Excellent!

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        • DarrenD Darren

          @winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

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          @DJDarren
          LOL looking at the picture with WTF on my face, and after while read that it's AI genera^W hallucinated. πŸ˜„

          @winkleink @cstross

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          • James πŸŒˆπŸ’œS James πŸŒˆπŸ’œ

            @oddhack @cstross

            Don't worry, your bank will do it for you.

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            @shaknais @oddhack @cstross

            I have nothing but:

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

              Notes for Americans:

              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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              @cstross Oddly, you might live. That drawing was SO %$&*ed up that it appeared to have a whole extra pin! πŸ™ˆ

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              • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

                @cstross this is still ok, right?

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                @th @cstross

                No, just no. It's a good quality socket (MK are one of the best, and used to be the automatic choice for the building trade), but you have no idea what's behind that faceplate and if it's been correctly wired. Sticking _anything_ conductive into an electrical outlet is a very bad idea. (And a metal door key is probably one of the worst things you could use.) 3:O(((>

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                • P Phosphenes

                  @josh0 @DJDarren @winkleink @cstross

                  Yeah that fuse will last about 0.001 seconds. Safe! πŸ‘

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                  @Phosphenes @josh0 @winkleink @cstross In fairness, there aren't many sockets that could accept that plug.

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                    @cstross ah the elusive 3-phase UK plug

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                    • ColmD Colm

                      @cstross

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                      @dotcolm @cstross for countries that use 0VAC

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                      • DarrenD Darren

                        @Phosphenes @josh0 @winkleink @cstross In fairness, there aren't many sockets that could accept that plug.

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                        @DJDarren @Phosphenes @winkleink @cstross you know what they say: when you have a hammer, you can solve any problem with it.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          @elaine1helen AIs are *generative* and they're designed to generate an answer shaped object, not provide an *actual* answer.

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                          @elaine1helen @cstross Yes, one key point of failure for asking "simple" questions of genAI is that they are designed to generate something original, combining and randomizing their training inputs instead of just copying one.

                          And for something like this, there's the issue that they don't really have a 3D model of the world, so every different angle of an image is like a different variation on the diagram, and these then get combined in ways that don't make sense from a real-world perspective.

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                          • Trammell HudsonT Trammell Hudson

                            @cstross this is still ok, right?

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                            @th @cstross Yep that's fine. Everyone knows sockets use Yale keys, but it was a Chubb you'd be in trouble

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                              Notes for Americans:

                              1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                              2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                              3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                              @cstross #3 often applies all on its own, independent of the first two.

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                                Notes for Americans:

                                1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                                2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                                3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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                                @cstross

                                Imagine the bomb disposal trope. Countdown running out. Hero has to decide which wire to cut, asks a LLM
                                πŸ’₯ BIGπŸ’₯

                                Wiring a plug was part of the Standard Grade Science course in Scotland (going back a few years). Towards the end of its lifetime we were forbidden from teaching it on grounds that you are no longer able to do it. It did not come up in the exam.

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                                • Neo EhproqueE Neo Ehproque

                                  @cstross

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                                  @ehproque @cstross

                                  Ow my soul

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                                  • SchroedingerS Schroedinger

                                    @cstross And the reason that pre-fitted plugs were made mandatory was because so many people didn't know how to correctly wire one.

                                    Which I find intensely depressing, as I have known how to wire one from very young.

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                                    @SteveClough @cstross

                                    We were expected to learn how to wire a plug at school (late 80's, probably). My dad had already taught me, so I got full marks for doing it properly -- short live length, some slack in earth, and so on.

                                    I then demonstrated to the teacher that I could do it again (properly, still) with a butter knife and my teeth...

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                                      @cstross unlike the first image this one isn’t plausible enough to follow

                                      The first image will mislead people 😬

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                                        @cstross gotta watch out for that BLIVE pin.

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                                        • Erik JonkerE Erik Jonker

                                          @sotolf @cstross AlphaFold 3 (2024) explicitly uses a generative diffusion model

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                                          @ErikJonker
                                          But that is still quite different from the large language model-approach which is used for the 'foundational models ' like Claude and ChatGPT. The LLM approach has structural weaknesses and is the cause of the enthusiastically pushed falsehoods. As it does no know anything and has no real world feedback, every output is always based
                                          on probabilities deduced from its corpus of inputs and training.
                                          In specific cases, within specific/limited areas of competemce AI has proven very useful. But, that is very far removed from AGI. So far the LLM approach is mostly misused for internet slop, useless reports and articles and avoidance of responsibility by governments, like Israel's or ICE target selection...
                                          @sotolf @cstross

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