The important part here is that it’s an extra stat that everyone has. It’s not like DnD or Pathfinder where you know magic and your modifier comes from one of your normal stats and everyone else does not know magic. Magic Talent is an extra that every class has and every class can eventually make use of if they live long enough. It’s also the implication that you don’t have a magic on/off switch that is rolled at birth. Everyone has that possibility but has to go through training to use it.

While the Eberron setting doesn't directly tie dragonmarks to the Sorcerer class, it does explore hereditary magic as a privilege. In general, if you're not of the bloodlines who are "supposed to" get particular constructive magic and want to go into business using that magic, you need to either sign a contract with the appropriate Dragonmarked House or they'll go Pinkerton on your ass. This cuts the other way, too, where anyone in the House with such powers is pressured to participate.

Racism and prejudice are missing from your equation. The sorcerer is different but only treated special in character creation because they get free shit. In the world they would be hated and feared as the person who started fires as a child or drowned a local cow. They would have a rumor of death or destruction follow them wherever they go

Good on your for not thinking of how much your personal frustrations would impact the behavior of the world. It’s hard to think beyond prejudice and racism.

People hate different people for existing and different people exist: they can be called “special” but they are still different. And special people exist. That’s what makes Einstein and Mozart and many others stand out in history. Differences exist. How your world treats them is what makes a good story.

Seoni, the iconic sorcerer of Pathfinder.

I'll note that one thing that bugs me about the Sorcerer class *is* that, despite how fairly early in D&D 3e's life there was a Dragon article talking about many alternative ways to have innate magic other than being born with it, both D&D itself and Pathfinder after it doubled down on the "magical bloodline" lore and terminology.

My preference is more "wizards have an education, warlocks have a magic sugar daddy, sorcerers have a superhero origin".

I’d also like to see it come with relevant costs. Much in the same way genius and madness often go hand in hand. Not full on oracle’s curse, more like how some beautiful people struggle being taken seriously or respected for their minds, or how some neurodivergent people just get difficult subjects while struggling with aspects of ordinary life.

But yeah generally I’m in full agreement with you. Show me the half orc who only got a chance in their hometown because they’re a sorcerer and that resulted in complicated emotions. Show me the noble whose family paid good money for their child to be a sorcerer and now they’re off trying to prove themselves. Show me a society in which a sorcerer child is considered an unimaginable blessing even though that bloodline may leave their sibling a hated tiefling and then use it to show a golden child/scapegoat sibling dynamic enforced not necessarily by the parents, but by the whole community.

The Locked Tomb did both. Necromancers are a blessing and privileged. There are roles in society only they’re allowed to fill. But they’re also chronically ill. They’re frail and sickly and look and feel like they’re dying. That actually would give credence to if they were to not like being like that.

One of my pet peeves of modern fantasy media is the notion that some people are “special” - and thus implied to be “better” - than other people because of some inherent magical ability. One of the best-known modern examples of this is the Harry Potter franchise, where the protagonists are mostly mages, and even the characters who actually care about the welfare of the latter do so in an extremely patronizing way - i.e. by stopping the “bad mages” rather than working together.

In #dnd and similar #ttrpg, the concept is represent by the “sorcerer” and similar characters who gained their cool powers from some innate birth ability rather than study and hard work.

And while there is nothing wrong with wanting to play such a character, just for once I would like to see an in-setting examination of what it means to have this privilege, instead of the more common:

“Oh no, woe is me, I have been born with special powers and will be hated and persecuted for them. Thus, I must spend most of my time in a secret society with my fellow very special people!”

To be clear, people born with privilege did not ask to be born with privilege, and cannot be blamed for that. However, they should also acknowledge that they have this privilege, and not assume that they are somehow “better” than people without it.

One of my pet peeves of modern fantasy media is the notion that some people are “special” - and thus implied to be “better” - than other people because of some inherent magical ability. One of the best-known modern examples of this is the Harry Potter franchise, where the protagonists are mostly mages, and even the characters who actually care about the welfare of the latter do so in an extremely patronizing way - i.e. by stopping the “bad mages” rather than working together.

In #dnd and similar #ttrpg, the concept is represent by the “sorcerer” and similar characters who gained their cool powers from some innate birth ability rather than study and hard work.

And while there is nothing wrong with wanting to play such a character, just for once I would like to see an in-setting examination of what it means to have this privilege, instead of the more common:

“Oh no, woe is me, I have been born with special powers and will be hated and persecuted for them. Thus, I must spend most of my time in a secret society with my fellow very special people!”

To be clear, people born with privilege did not ask to be born with privilege, and cannot be blamed for that. However, they should also acknowledge that they have this privilege, and not assume that they are somehow “better” than people without it.

Ok now I want to play a noble sorcerer who’s parents paid a massive price for her powers and is now struggling with the guilt and expectations. Harrowhark Nonagesimus meets Lorelai Gilmore

I know y’all are talking about like, buying a wish spell, but y’all make it sound like the mom hired a magic gigolo XD

One of my pet peeves of modern fantasy media is the notion that some people are “special” - and thus implied to be “better” - than other people because of some inherent magical ability. One of the best-known modern examples of this is the Harry Potter franchise, where the protagonists are mostly mages, and even the characters who actually care about the welfare of the latter do so in an extremely patronizing way - i.e. by stopping the “bad mages” rather than working together.

In #dnd and similar #ttrpg, the concept is represent by the “sorcerer” and similar characters who gained their cool powers from some innate birth ability rather than study and hard work.

And while there is nothing wrong with wanting to play such a character, just for once I would like to see an in-setting examination of what it means to have this privilege, instead of the more common:

“Oh no, woe is me, I have been born with special powers and will be hated and persecuted for them. Thus, I must spend most of my time in a secret society with my fellow very special people!”

To be clear, people born with privilege did not ask to be born with privilege, and cannot be blamed for that. However, they should also acknowledge that they have this privilege, and not assume that they are somehow “better” than people without it.

I’m glad 2e gave her more realistic clothing while honoring her original “aesthetic”

Ok now I want to play a noble sorcerer who’s parents paid a massive price for her powers and is now struggling with the guilt and expectations. Harrowhark Nonagesimus meets Lorelai Gilmore

Let it go

One of my pet peeves of modern fantasy media is the notion that some people are “special” - and thus implied to be “better” - than other people because of some inherent magical ability. One of the best-known modern examples of this is the Harry Potter franchise, where the protagonists are mostly mages, and even the characters who actually care about the welfare of the latter do so in an extremely patronizing way - i.e. by stopping the “bad mages” rather than working together.

In #dnd and similar #ttrpg, the concept is represent by the “sorcerer” and similar characters who gained their cool powers from some innate birth ability rather than study and hard work.

And while there is nothing wrong with wanting to play such a character, just for once I would like to see an in-setting examination of what it means to have this privilege, instead of the more common:

“Oh no, woe is me, I have been born with special powers and will be hated and persecuted for them. Thus, I must spend most of my time in a secret society with my fellow very special people!”

To be clear, people born with privilege did not ask to be born with privilege, and cannot be blamed for that. However, they should also acknowledge that they have this privilege, and not assume that they are somehow “better” than people without it.

@juergen_hubert It’s tricky to build a setting that actually examines this sort of privilege not just because we know how people born to privilege behave in the real world (forming an aristocratic class and - if pressed - coming up some sort of narrative like noblesse oblige or divine Right of Kings), but also because well before 3rd edition’s take on sorcerers was a thing, many medieval fantasy worlds had people born to unearned magical power an privilege: gods.

A setting with divinities who are actively using their power to better the world can easily make the inborn power of a typical PC or point of view character feel irrelevant. OTOH those which feature apparently-inactive deities probably inspire many born to power to worry about themselves first, and others second (or never)

@juergen_hubert I think this type of setting gets even harder to build when we base the discussion on D&D sorcerers. For all they may be born to a certain amount of power compared to an ordinary person, they have to put themselves through real effort and danger to progress from there - they really don’t get that much for free (c.f. characters in Zelazny’s Amber).

Eberron is one of my favorite DnDoid settings, precisely because the designers put a lot of thoughts into this stuff.