@noheger Wow, that... would drive me crazy...

I get why it does it of course. Internally it's still a rectangle even if it's presented externally as rounded edges. But how are people without long time computing experience going to know that the actual window extends further than where you actually see?

@the_wub @noheger I think that's basically an X11 custom, Alt+LMB to move, Alt+RMB to resize. Should be available on most "normal" desktop environments

Windows, for all its flaws, had some thick window borders for a while (Win 8? 8.1?) then later visually thinner but they were still easy to hit, like there was a part that didn't look like a border but still counted towards resizing. I found them really pleasant at the time, didn't have to pixel hunt!

@noheger It has made me double down my use of a window manager (Better Snap Tool) so I don’t have to deal with it

wow. fuck whomever thought this was a good idea

@noheger

@noheger That video in the middle is hilarious.

@noheger So they just increased the radius but kept the resize point

@noheger @siracusa How is that irritating? Transparent handles is exactly what the whole design revolves around.

@richlv

KDE by default has the same problem. You need to change the settings to add real window borders.

And even that is not ideal. Ideal would be Windows 3 or IRIX, where windows are rectangular, thickly bordered, and the resize regions are clearly delineated.

@noheger

@richlv @noheger Or they could just revert to the NeXTSTEP UI. That had neat little resize handles.

@fazalmajid @noheger Thinking about this as well, after ~40 years of using Apple products. Although in my case admittedly only partly because of how rubbish much of Tahoe is, more because of the general enshittification of Apple, the company, the products, and the politics.

@phl @the_wub @noheger 7's borders were unreservedly thicc

@groxx @the_wub @noheger Glassy thing done better than whatever iOS is currently doing

@noheger inerestingly, the snap area is outside of what appears to define a window area. But then, traditionnally, wasn't that 'always' the case? Scroll sliders defining a window sizing drag corner?

@argv_minus_one @noheger Here's KDE where I have changed nothing on window corners, it seems to work perfectly.

@richlv

Did you change the border width? As far as I know, there's no border by default.

@noheger

@noheger I thought good design and a nice user interface were their only selling point. Great job fucking that up! The icons are also hilarious https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/

@noheger meanwhile XFCE since decades : CLICK ANYWHERE HOLDING ALT AND IT RESIZES THE WAY YOU WANT

You don't have to target anything. It just work very well and is very comfortable to use.

Who the hell pays for fisher price apple again ?

@noheger this is why I refuse to use a window manager that does not support resize using alt+mouse2

@the_wub @noheger on macos we use BetterTouchTool, which has options for this.

@argv_minus_one @noheger
Ah, somewhat weird. Firefox has that thick border, but other apps do not. Maybe something to do with GTK vs QT, not sure.

While the border is pretty much not there, it's still very easy to resize windows.

With the narrow border it's more obvious that indeed dragging area inside the window itself is smaller than outside it. Maybe to avoid overlapping with controls inside those windows?

Otherwise that scrollbar might be weirdly inaccessible.