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Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

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  • P PonyOfWar

    Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.

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    blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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    At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.

    AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.

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      Nils
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      #23

      Then some clueless person complains that Steam dominates the market. When Epic is constantly shooting their foot.

      People like to make informed decisions and those labels help. In proper countries even beer have content labels to say if there is rice or corn with the barley.

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      • K kiwitb@lemmy.world

        Tim continues to not ‘read the room’

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        dan1101@lemmy.world
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        #24

        On the wrong side of nearly everything. Disappointing, he was a gaming pioneer. Now just a petty greedy corpo.

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        • C carnelian@lemmy.world

          Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?

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          zorque@lemmy.world
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          #25

          He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.

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          • thingsiplay@beehaw.orgT thingsiplay@beehaw.org

            lol I just found my 7 year old post on Reddit (when Reddit was cool) of a Epig Games logo creation: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/bvw5ru/epig_games/

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            zorque@lemmy.world
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            But pigs are cute 😞

            Why associate them with such a shit company?

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              #27

              Tim Sweeny doesn’t understand the very people he wants to have give him money. Like, at all.

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              • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.

                AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.

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                PonyOfWar
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                As long as AI doesn’t take away our hands, it’ll always be perfectly possible to draw our own art, compose our own music and write our own code. And especially in the open-source space, there’s plenty of creative software not jumping on the AI bandwagon.

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                • dan1101@lemmy.worldD dan1101@lemmy.world

                  On the wrong side of nearly everything. Disappointing, he was a gaming pioneer. Now just a petty greedy corpo.

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                  kiwitb@lemmy.world
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                  Yeah, it’s a shame for sure.

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                    Sal
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                    #30

                    No, it fucking won’t, Tim Sweeney. Go jump off the OG Fortnite BR map so I can default dance on you while you get sent back to the lobby.

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                      artyom
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                      #31

                      If it’s available in “nearly all” development then you can switch the tag to say “no AI” and then I can continue discovering and buying games that don’t have that BS.

                      But we all know, as does Sweeney, that that’s a lie. And also that I wouldn’t shop for games on Epic Store anyway, for reasons just like this.

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                        darkkite@lemmy.ml
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                        #32

                        I think it should be more descriptive.

                        using gpt as a stack overflow replacement should be fine or autocomplete for a simple for-loop

                        using generative npcs, dialog, voice is another thing entirely

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                          PC gamers (sample size: at least 1) say they struggle to think of anything valuable that Tim Sweeney has ever said.

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                          yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          He did sue Apple or something. That was good. Let them fight.

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                          • D darkkite@lemmy.ml

                            I think it should be more descriptive.

                            using gpt as a stack overflow replacement should be fine or autocomplete for a simple for-loop

                            using generative npcs, dialog, voice is another thing entirely

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                            apotheotic (she/her)
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                            Plenty of folks add what ai was used for in the description of their game. Works well enough.

                            Personally I just avoid the games outright if ai was used at all, but yeah

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                              They make sense because we don’t want your AI shit Sweeney

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                              • N Nils

                                Then some clueless person complains that Steam dominates the market. When Epic is constantly shooting their foot.

                                People like to make informed decisions and those labels help. In proper countries even beer have content labels to say if there is rice or corn with the barley.

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                                yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                #36

                                One can be concerned by a monopoly even when there are no bad actors. Google used to be good before it was evil, and Gabe Newell will die eventually. Consolidation of market power (Audible for audiobooks, for instance, or Steam for video games) is not ideal. It is a shame Epic is such a piece of shit.

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                                  shape4985@lemmy.ml
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                                  This is just one of many examples on why epic is inferior

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                                    duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                                    And CEOs will be the easiest position to replace with AI. Can’t wait for the share holders to figure that out.

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                                      kibiz0r@midwest.social
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                                      These guys live in a bubble, huffing each others’ farts

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                                      • K kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        I only play organic games.

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                                        zorque@lemmy.world
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                                        Indeed, I only play games generated by artificial brains grown in vats.

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                                        • Y yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                          One can be concerned by a monopoly even when there are no bad actors. Google used to be good before it was evil, and Gabe Newell will die eventually. Consolidation of market power (Audible for audiobooks, for instance, or Steam for video games) is not ideal. It is a shame Epic is such a piece of shit.

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                                          zorque@lemmy.world
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                                          Indeed, but shoving Steam under the bus, instead of critiquing their “rivals” for their lack of consumer-friendly alternatives, when for the most part they’re just doing their best seems counterintuitive.

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