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Valve bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ solitaire game [Flick Solitaire] pulled from russian Steam [cited a 2006 federal law prohibiting the "promotion of non-traditional sexualities"]

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  • F frongt@lemmy.zip

    Pulling out of Russia entirely is an option. It’s not like they’re relying on them to stay in business.

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    voyajer@lemmy.world
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    Imagine all the “Valve could pull out of {country} next!” headlines that would never end

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    • F frongt@lemmy.zip

      Pulling out of Russia entirely is an option. It’s not like they’re relying on them to stay in business.

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      jaselle@lemmy.ca
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      Well, given the sanctions, this ought to be a given. I don’t understand how valve can operate in Russia at all tbh.

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      • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

        Well, given the sanctions, this ought to be a given. I don’t understand how valve can operate in Russia at all tbh.

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        Kühlschrank
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        Right? That was my question, why are they operating there at all right now

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        • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

          Well, given the sanctions, this ought to be a given. I don’t understand how valve can operate in Russia at all tbh.

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          PonyOfWar
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          The sanctions did impact Steam’s operations in Russia. Russian users currently can’t use any payment methods to buy games aside from Steam Wallet funds.

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          • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

            I mean, if you want to operate in a country, you follow their laws when in the country?

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            frongt@lemmy.zip
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            Generally yes, but legality is not ethics.

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            • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

              I mean, if you want to operate in a country, you follow their laws when in the country?

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              Omega (she/her)
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              How about having some fucking backbone?

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              • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

                What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

                I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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                ahornsirup@feddit.org
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                They could just not comply? What’s Russia gonna do, nuke Gaben’s yacht?

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                  Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

                  Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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                  son_of_macha@lemmy.cafe
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                  Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

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                  • Omega (she/her)P Omega (she/her)

                    How about having some fucking backbone?

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                    DebatableRaccoon
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                    That’s how to cease operating in a country.

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                    • D DebatableRaccoon

                      That’s how to cease operating in a country.

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                      athatet@lemmy.zip
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                      Valve should cease operating in Russia.

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                      • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                        ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

                        What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

                        I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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                        反いじめ戦隊
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                        comply with the law

                        Because Google & Apple don’t comply w/homophobic imperial out-border “laws.”

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                          Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

                          Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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                          Lvxferre [he/him]
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                          When “the right thing to do” enters in conflict with “what maximises profits”, businesses almost always pick the later.

                          What makes this decision particularly stark is the response from other tech giants. The same censorship notice was sent to Apple and Google, as the game has been available on their Russian mobile stores since 2020. Both companies reportedly ignored the request, leaving Flick Solitaire available for download.

                          It’s a matter of relative power.

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                          • S son_of_macha@lemmy.cafe

                            Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

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                            反いじめ戦隊
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                            Gabe needs НКВД money.

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                            • Omega (she/her)P Omega (she/her)

                              How about having some fucking backbone?

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                              slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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                              If they don’t like it, they can leave Russia.

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                              • F frongt@lemmy.zip

                                Generally yes, but legality is not ethics.

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                                slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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                                Where do you draw that line?

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                                • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

                                  Where do you draw that line?

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                                  njm1314@lemmy.world
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                                  Start here?

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                                  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                                    cv_octavio
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                                    Takes games put in cart for black Friday sale out of cart. Goes outside instead.

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                                    • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                                      comply with the law

                                      Because Google & Apple don’t comply w/homophobic imperial out-border “laws.”

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                                      jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                      Are you sure about that? Apple.

                                      Google, fair enough, but I don’t know to what extent they actually do business in Russia. Can you buy a pixel in Russia?

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                                      • P PonyOfWar

                                        The sanctions did impact Steam’s operations in Russia. Russian users currently can’t use any payment methods to buy games aside from Steam Wallet funds.

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                                        jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                        Then yeah, I’m surprised valve is cooperating. I suppose they are planning for the future, should the sanctions end.

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                                        • A athatet@lemmy.zip

                                          Valve should cease operating in Russia.

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                                          DebatableRaccoon
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                                          I don’t disagree.

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