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Valve bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ solitaire game [Flick Solitaire] pulled from russian Steam [cited a 2006 federal law prohibiting the "promotion of non-traditional sexualities"]

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  • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

    Well, given the sanctions, this ought to be a given. I don’t understand how valve can operate in Russia at all tbh.

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    Kühlschrank
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    Right? That was my question, why are they operating there at all right now

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    • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

      Well, given the sanctions, this ought to be a given. I don’t understand how valve can operate in Russia at all tbh.

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      PonyOfWar
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      The sanctions did impact Steam’s operations in Russia. Russian users currently can’t use any payment methods to buy games aside from Steam Wallet funds.

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      • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

        I mean, if you want to operate in a country, you follow their laws when in the country?

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        frongt@lemmy.zip
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        Generally yes, but legality is not ethics.

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        • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

          I mean, if you want to operate in a country, you follow their laws when in the country?

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          Omega (she/her)
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          How about having some fucking backbone?

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          • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

            ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

            What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

            I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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            ahornsirup@feddit.org
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            They could just not comply? What’s Russia gonna do, nuke Gaben’s yacht?

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              Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

              Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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              son_of_macha@lemmy.cafe
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              Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

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              • Omega (she/her)P Omega (she/her)

                How about having some fucking backbone?

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                DebatableRaccoon
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                That’s how to cease operating in a country.

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                • D DebatableRaccoon

                  That’s how to cease operating in a country.

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                  athatet@lemmy.zip
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                  Valve should cease operating in Russia.

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                  • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                    ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

                    What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

                    I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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                    反いじめ戦隊
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                    comply with the law

                    Because Google & Apple don’t comply w/homophobic imperial out-border “laws.”

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                      Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

                      Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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                      Lvxferre [he/him]
                      wrote on last edited by lvxferre@mander.xyz
                      #16

                      When “the right thing to do” enters in conflict with “what maximises profits”, businesses almost always pick the later.

                      What makes this decision particularly stark is the response from other tech giants. The same censorship notice was sent to Apple and Google, as the game has been available on their Russian mobile stores since 2020. Both companies reportedly ignored the request, leaving Flick Solitaire available for download.

                      It’s a matter of relative power.

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                      • S son_of_macha@lemmy.cafe

                        Why the fuck is Steam still in Russia?

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                        反いじめ戦隊
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                        Gabe needs НКВД money.

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                        • Omega (she/her)P Omega (she/her)

                          How about having some fucking backbone?

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                          slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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                          If they don’t like it, they can leave Russia.

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                          • F frongt@lemmy.zip

                            Generally yes, but legality is not ethics.

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                            slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca
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                            Where do you draw that line?

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                            • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

                              Where do you draw that line?

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                              njm1314@lemmy.world
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                              Start here?

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                                cv_octavio
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                                Takes games put in cart for black Friday sale out of cart. Goes outside instead.

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                                • 反いじめ戦隊A 反いじめ戦隊

                                  comply with the law

                                  Because Google & Apple don’t comply w/homophobic imperial out-border “laws.”

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                                  jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                  Are you sure about that? Apple.

                                  Google, fair enough, but I don’t know to what extent they actually do business in Russia. Can you buy a pixel in Russia?

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                                  • P PonyOfWar

                                    The sanctions did impact Steam’s operations in Russia. Russian users currently can’t use any payment methods to buy games aside from Steam Wallet funds.

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                                    jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                    Then yeah, I’m surprised valve is cooperating. I suppose they are planning for the future, should the sanctions end.

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                                    • A athatet@lemmy.zip

                                      Valve should cease operating in Russia.

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                                      DebatableRaccoon
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                                      I don’t disagree.

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                                        DebatableRaccoon
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                                        #25

                                        It’s not as simple as about backbone. I agree that ethics are a good reason to stop doing business with an individual but if a company like Valve were to pull out of every country based on ethical matters, they’d need to found their own country.

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                                        • M Kühlschrank

                                          Right? That was my question, why are they operating there at all right now

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                                          Honse
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                                          Valve had a big piracy problem in russia and it was ofc because of service issues. While I obviously don’t agree with this censorship and would prefer valve to entirely pull out of russia, I can see why they are absolutely not doing that. They want to provide the best PC gaming store service across the world, and they don’t want competitors or piracy to eat into their sales

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