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If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

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  • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

    @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

    Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

    And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

    It’s a vicious cycle

    jzakotnikJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by
    #18

    @_elena @randahl ironically someone like Trump is not on X anymore but on his own platform. VIP politicians could host their own mastodon server, maybe that's a better approach?

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    • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

      @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

      Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

      And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

      It’s a vicious cycle

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      Chris. R. 🎧🎼☕🍍
      wrote last edited by
      #19

      @_elena @randahl
      Indeed a vicious circle. Maybe they could break it by putting their primary posts and scoops on Mastodon first, and only a day later on X.

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

        Ilhan Omar is still on X.
        Bernie Sanders is still on X.
        AOC is still on X.

        Make it easy for them to switch. Then make sure they are aware of this option.

        Sourdough StereoS This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #20

        @randahl Great! And change the name. Mastodon sounds so unappealing.

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

          Ilhan Omar is still on X.
          Bernie Sanders is still on X.
          AOC is still on X.

          Make it easy for them to switch. Then make sure they are aware of this option.

          ExxoE This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #21

          @randahl I can't see anything difficult. They can easily go to mastodon.social and create an account.

          Who wants something will find a way. Who doesn't will find an excuse.

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          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

            If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

            Ilhan Omar is still on X.
            Bernie Sanders is still on X.
            AOC is still on X.

            Make it easy for them to switch. Then make sure they are aware of this option.

            Humble Fan of Atty. WooB This user is from outside of this forum
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            Humble Fan of Atty. Woo
            wrote last edited by
            #22

            @randahl

            But, Randahl, perhaps they are attempting to attract new voters who are fed up with their opposition aka trump's crowd of idiots. I am backing James Talarico here in TX for US Senator; he has been on FOX news several times; and only with Joe Rogan, who liked what he had to say. His opponent in the Dem primary is Jasmine Crockett who is a firebrand in the House, and though I like her, she doesn't like James being on right wing shows; to me she is limiting herself by NOT being on those shows. I just think James who has a very calm delivery will attract more middle of the road & dissatisfied Republican voters than she ever will. Peace, my brother.

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            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

              If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

              Ilhan Omar is still on X.
              Bernie Sanders is still on X.
              AOC is still on X.

              Make it easy for them to switch. Then make sure they are aware of this option.

              Elf BurgermanE This user is from outside of this forum
              Elf BurgermanE This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #23

              @randahl
              A bot made it easy for Bernie Sanders to be on Mastodon...
              as long as he's on X 😞

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              • Nathan A. StineS Nathan A. Stine

                @randahl my recollection was AOC, when approached, was not only a "no", she was a "hell no."

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                #24

                @stinerman why?

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                • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                  @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                  Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                  And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                  It’s a vicious cycle

                  chris@strafpla.netC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  chris@strafpla.net
                  wrote last edited by
                  #25

                  @_elena @randahl and if just some politicians started to _interact_ with people on the fediverse instead of just having their PR posted, there would be stories to tell and journalists would come.

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                  • Humble Fan of Atty. WooB Humble Fan of Atty. Woo

                    @randahl

                    But, Randahl, perhaps they are attempting to attract new voters who are fed up with their opposition aka trump's crowd of idiots. I am backing James Talarico here in TX for US Senator; he has been on FOX news several times; and only with Joe Rogan, who liked what he had to say. His opponent in the Dem primary is Jasmine Crockett who is a firebrand in the House, and though I like her, she doesn't like James being on right wing shows; to me she is limiting herself by NOT being on those shows. I just think James who has a very calm delivery will attract more middle of the road & dissatisfied Republican voters than she ever will. Peace, my brother.

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                    #26

                    @BillMcGuire I agree with your point. They probably need to be everywhere. But my point is: So far they are not on Mastodon, and it would be very helpful to nudge them into being here.

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                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                      @BillMcGuire I agree with your point. They probably need to be everywhere. But my point is: So far they are not on Mastodon, and it would be very helpful to nudge them into being here.

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                      #27

                      @randahl exactly, is there an effort for doing just that, wondering

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                      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                        If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

                        Ilhan Omar is still on X.
                        Bernie Sanders is still on X.
                        AOC is still on X.

                        Make it easy for them to switch. Then make sure they are aware of this option.

                        CeremusC This user is from outside of this forum
                        CeremusC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Ceremus
                        wrote last edited by
                        #28

                        @randahl Dear God, do not encourage politicians who have high risk factors of being targeted by bad actors to create their own Mastodon servers.

                        Mastodon does NOT in ANY WAY have appropriate system safeguards against motivated bad-faith actors.

                        This is *one* example: https://bsky.app/profile/thisismissem.social/post/3m2nigx3tnc2h

                        (Emelia specifically works on Trust & Safety in the Fediverse)

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                        • Elf BurgermanE Elf Burgerman

                          @randahl
                          A bot made it easy for Bernie Sanders to be on Mastodon...
                          as long as he's on X 😞

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                          Cătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺
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                          #29

                          @elfburgerman there's also bird.makeup which provides a bridge between X and ActivityPub (Mastodon included)

                          @randahl

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                          • ElisabettaG Elisabetta

                            @waldschnecke @randahl it's here https://leavex.eu/politicians/
                            I have it open in Vivaldi because I want to start writing to the Italian ones but I keep postponing it...

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                            #30

                            @gilraen79 @randahl Fantastic! That's it, thank you

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                            • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                              @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                              Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                              And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                              It’s a vicious cycle

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                              #31

                              @_elena @randahl

                              I think @mspro had this "holding each other hostage" situation in this blog years ago.

                              Actually i'd expect more insight of this situation on the journalists side.

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                              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

                                Ilhan Omar is still on X.
                                Bernie Sanders is still on X.
                                AOC is still on X.

                                Make it easy for them to switch. Then make sure they are aware of this option.

                                Sehar IrfanS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #32

                                @randahl @osma humble

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                                • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                                  @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                                  Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                                  And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                                  It’s a vicious cycle

                                  Daniel HernándezD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Daniel Hernández
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                                  #33

                                  @_elena @randahl I think there is a rise of fascism in many countries (which does not mean people became fascist). Fascist politicians will not move from fascist platforms. Worst, the non-fascist politicians are mimicking the fascist ones to obtain votes. For instance, in the Chilean presidential election, most of the candidates focused on migration because that was the main topic of the fascist candidate. Then, non-fascists will be where fascists are.

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                                  • Daniel HernándezD Daniel Hernández

                                    @_elena @randahl I think there is a rise of fascism in many countries (which does not mean people became fascist). Fascist politicians will not move from fascist platforms. Worst, the non-fascist politicians are mimicking the fascist ones to obtain votes. For instance, in the Chilean presidential election, most of the candidates focused on migration because that was the main topic of the fascist candidate. Then, non-fascists will be where fascists are.

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                                    @_elena @randahl I think public universities could contribute to moving from fascist platforms, but few of them have taken this seriously. I know only two universities that are doing this by creating Mastodon instances for academics and students.

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                                    Attached: 1 image According to this #Wikidata query (https://w.wiki/HgMK), there are currently two public universities in the world with #Mastodon instances, managed by @KIT_Karlsruhe@social.kit.edu and @uniinnsbruck@social.uibk.ac.at, from Germany and Austria. Are there more?

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                                    • VVLD1clV VVLD1cl

                                      @randahl exactly, is there an effort for doing just that, wondering

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                                      #35

                                      @VVLD1cl @randahl There's a campaign in Germany where people who are still on X, Instagram etc. encourage people to run a +1 strategy, which is stay where they are but run a Fediverse account too https://savesocial.eu/en/

                                      They can then slowly promote their Fediverse account while they build up a following here, and then eventually shut down their old accounts.

                                      There's also the @leavex campaign that collects e-mail addresses for European politicians https://leavex.eu/

                                      Maybe you can team up?

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                                      • GunChleocG GunChleoc

                                        @VVLD1cl @randahl There's a campaign in Germany where people who are still on X, Instagram etc. encourage people to run a +1 strategy, which is stay where they are but run a Fediverse account too https://savesocial.eu/en/

                                        They can then slowly promote their Fediverse account while they build up a following here, and then eventually shut down their old accounts.

                                        There's also the @leavex campaign that collects e-mail addresses for European politicians https://leavex.eu/

                                        Maybe you can team up?

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #36

                                        We are planning to work closely with the Save Social campaign. And also to display the Executive on our platform.

                                        There is also this awesome work being done in Canada by @smattymatty and team, advocating for politicians to come to the Fediverse

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                                        Home | Elbows Up Digital

                                        Get Canadian Politicians on the Fediverse

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                                        All these initiatives are going to be listed here

                                        Network

                                        Like-minded groups, movements, and individuals

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                                        Leave X - Protect Democracy (leavex.eu)

                                        There are others we need to update.

                                        Cc @VVLD1cl @randahl @gunchleoc @bjoernsta @ElbowsUpforDigitalSovereignty

                                        #LeaveX

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                                        • CeremusC Ceremus

                                          @randahl Dear God, do not encourage politicians who have high risk factors of being targeted by bad actors to create their own Mastodon servers.

                                          Mastodon does NOT in ANY WAY have appropriate system safeguards against motivated bad-faith actors.

                                          This is *one* example: https://bsky.app/profile/thisismissem.social/post/3m2nigx3tnc2h

                                          (Emelia specifically works on Trust & Safety in the Fediverse)

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                                          #37

                                          @ceremus @randahl Since that post was made, Mastodon has introduced an admin option to hide public timelines from people that are not logged in.

                                          One remaining problem is that we dont have any pre-emptive moderation tools to deal with harassment & dogpiling, like common dogwistles & slurs getting flagged for review. Moderators can only become aware of problems when users report them.

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