#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.

Ami Angelwings

i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...

This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.

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Ami Angelwings

For an example, I have a lot of trouble accepting heel face turns when there's a lot of direct history between the heel/villain and the heroes they're suddenly best buds with.

Like I can accept and even like a lot of face turns but when it's like "I tried to rape your girlfriend/sister but I'm good now, cool right?" and everybody just memory holes it because it happened an arc ago and there's no even grappling with it, I'm just like yeah no.

Koven!

@ami_angelwings For some reason it doesn't bother me that spaceships can bank turn in space, but shields (as in "shields up, red alert") are just a "c'mon now, that's not real!" situation for me.

Ami Angelwings

This also happens in reverse for me with face heel turns, like in wrestling when Steve Austin turned heel and teamed up with Triple H who literally tried to run him over with a car a year ago! Water under the bridge now that the "evil" switch has been flipped.

Sobex

@ami_angelwings Very easy, the kiss of true love (kiss first, then love happen), this is extra bad.

(I have absolutely not posted anything about a new ending to Turandot that eliminates this trope recently, I swear)

Ami Angelwings

@Sobex this is actually the reason why Bloom Into You never worked for me even though I know lots of people love it

Sobex

@ami_angelwings What’s Bloom into you ? (Yeah I’m not much of a TV /Film person)

Chertridge

@ami_angelwings Easy one for me. I understand that it would make for boring scifi but sound cannot travel through space. Nope, that explosion sound on Star Trek isn't real.

Ami Angelwings

@Sobex it's a manga turned anime that starts with the mc who has no romantic feelings for anybody (i.e. they might be aro/ace) and then the love interest just corners her and forces a kiss on her because she wants to let out her sexua desires but she doesn't want somebody to fall in love with her so she picked the MC. This of course leads to the MC and her eventually falling in love and being otp.

Sobex

@ami_angelwings ‍️
And consent in that ??

Andreas Grois

@ami_angelwings Spaceship movement in most science fiction series. This had been particularly bad for me some years ago, when I still played Kerbal Space Program a lot. This completely ruined my enjoyment of dramatic space battle scenes, because of the intrusive thought: "that's not how spaceships move".

Meanwhile, since I barely play any KSP nowadays, I manage to suspend my disbelief a bit better again.

Ami Angelwings

@chertridge the interesting part is that Nick Meyer is partially responsible for the sound in space thing, I know in ToS a lot of the sounds happened when the shot was from inside the ships, and I can't remember if they had a lot of outside space sounds though I'm sure they did, but Meyer said even though he knows sound can't travel in space, it would be boring to have silence as ships moved around, that's why in Star Trek 2 he added the now-standard engine hum that every starship has in a space shot when they cruise

Manic Emo Dream Ghoul

@ami_angelwings true romantic love can only happen between two people who absolutely do not like, or respect each other as people, whatsoever.

It's so common that I can name you Night of Azure as an exception because... What do you mean the girlfriends actually like each other as friends, co-workers, as well as girlfriends!!?!?!???!

Ami Angelwings

@BigShellEvent the more you hate each other the more true the love

Manic Emo Dream Ghoul

@ami_angelwings what if I'm not aromantic it's just all the fictions made romance sound like a form of torture

kubi

@ami_angelwings shrinking. Can not stop thinking about atoms, and how dense shrunk people would be

Manic Emo Dream Ghoul

@ami_angelwings also PLEEEASE PLAY NIGHT OF AZURE i love the way the girls developed their relationship in such a mutually growing kind of way

Nazo

@5easypieces @ami_angelwings Banking would be possible with compensating lateral thrusters though. That's already a thing in modern ships. The real issue there is the mechanism of somehow compensating so people standing up or not strapped down thoroughly don't go flying against the walls. Star Trek definitely didn't care.

I don't know about shields. I've seen some things talk about concepts like really powerful electromagnetic fields being utilized and theoretically that could do somewhat maybe, possibly. Or other ideas like manipulating some actual physical material? Definite scifi trope, but maybe not impossible.

Having an alarm system does make sense though and red would definitely be the critical alarm color. That's pretty much a non-scifi thing.

🤖Robot Enby Xero🤖

@ami_angelwings easy for me: the trope of "the clone must die" and variations thereof.

I get so sick of the noble sacrifice to save the original or treating clones with identical memories (up to that point) as monsters or so on and so forth. (This is for clones or doppelgangers that aren't written as deliberately evil, which is a different can of worms entirely.)

And a further subtrope where the clone lives, on or off screen (usually off in older shows to save money on compositing) but they keep them as a bottle episode death just in case they need them for that. Older example: Thomas Riker brought back to be a Maquis agent for one episode. Recent example. Killing off Frost on The Flash after her coexisting perfectly with Caitlyn for like three seasons.

Anyway

Ami Angelwings

@Sobex yeah there's no consent, I've seen justifications of it, I know why Yuri fans like it, but to me it's just the aro/ace version of "you can turn a lesbian straight by forcing physical contact on them and they realize they like it", I know people will say "she wasn't aro/ace to begin with, she was just finding herself, she just didn't meet the right person, etc" I know they have a discussion in the manga with an ace character, but i still see it as "see sometimes lack of consent and the magical kiss is needed to force you to realize you actually love somebody/your sexuality is wrong"

Wandering Adventure Party

#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.