@Gargron Zulip doesn’t have voice right? What are you using as an alternative for that?

@Gargron Not a participant, but I hope discord dies just because of how many communities it has destroyed.

@Gargron So, should we discontinue Patreon donations? And wait until you are set up in the new location?

@waystation Why would you need to do that? You don’t have to use Discord even now, it is optional.

@lefteristrip23 @Gargron I’m just guessing, but maybe because they’re a small team that needs a solution and not another service to manage and maintain? Sometimes you just want a no-friction service that won’t add extra load on your employees. But that’s me speculating. There could be a way different but completely justified reason. These are smart people, and I trust they know what they’re doing.

@Gargron I don't use discord. I never even visit the Patreon. I just didn't know if Patreon is becoming an unsafe space.

I don't understand why all centralized services suddenly insist on actually verifying their users' age for real. What was wrong with asking for a birth date or even just presenting a "yes I'm 18 or older" button? NSFW websites somehow still do just fine with that, but Discord, which is much less "risky" in comparison, somehow needs real verification?

Gosh I miss the old internet.

@waystation We have a Discord for people who support us on Patreon. We’re planning to move from Discord to Zulip for that purpose instead.

@dmian @Gargron to be fair, matrix isn't quite there yet, indeed

@Gargron Ah, I misread. My apologies. I've been under the weather since last night.

@Gargron @waystation Rather stupidly, a lot of software support and wiki's are now contained only on Discord, which has been a stupid move to be clear. Even purely social communities for almost anything host on Discord now.

The internet is a lonelier place for all the social interactivity it has hoovered up.

Time will tell if Discord have pointed both barrels at their feet and pulled the trigger... But nobody seems happy with the decision.

@lefteristrip23 @Gargron Even if it was, and it will be a mature platform one day, you always need someone to take care of it. It’s the same with everything you install on a server. And sometimes, you’re not eager to do that.

@Gargron

Make sure you use a different account name if you submit yourself to 1984 dystopia, so you screw up facial recognition subversion.

@targrus @Gargron Same. Also, thanks to this Discord affair, I learned about Stoat (formerly Revolt) https://stoat.chat

@Gargron Thank you for the move and for talking about this publicly!

@Gargron Never heard of that one..

@lutindiscret @Gargron Well maybe they didn't want to manage another Fedi service. So they chose a different option.

@grishka @Gargron I'm thinking it's to avoid problems with the government if it were to come to them having to come in.

@AngelaScholder @Gargron

zulip is excellent. good software and seems like a good group of folks at the company.

@waltbaldwin @Gargron Tnx. With the @DutchWhovianCommunity there is a Discord server for the community, so I'm curious what the impact of the changes is going to be there.

But, also for other security and privacy reasons it most likely be a good thing to move away from Discord. But then, a large part of the community is also still mainly on Failbook and Instagram.
On Mastodon it's still a very small group.