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As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

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  • Guido StevensG This user is from outside of this forum
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    As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

    Mandatory age checks will be the end of the open web.

    “But the children…” is always the rhetorical device of choice to justify more surveillance. Meanwhile a pedo ring rules the world, with plaintext emails, without facing consequences.

    If the EU is serious about confronting Big Tech, it should abolish anti-circumvention laws, as @pluralistic argues. Invest in open source, instead of wiring massive sums to Microsoft every month. And tax billionaires out of existence forchrissake.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/spain-hits-back-at-pavel-durov-over-mass-telegram-post-on-social-media-ban-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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    • Guido StevensG Guido Stevens

      As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

      Mandatory age checks will be the end of the open web.

      “But the children…” is always the rhetorical device of choice to justify more surveillance. Meanwhile a pedo ring rules the world, with plaintext emails, without facing consequences.

      If the EU is serious about confronting Big Tech, it should abolish anti-circumvention laws, as @pluralistic argues. Invest in open source, instead of wiring massive sums to Microsoft every month. And tax billionaires out of existence forchrissake.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/spain-hits-back-at-pavel-durov-over-mass-telegram-post-on-social-media-ban-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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      @pluralistic @guidostevens Given the recent document drop about how the social media giants deliberately targeted kids & teens to get them addicted to their services, maybe go after the problem, which is the social media giants.

      https://techoversight.org/2026/01/25/top-report-mdl-jan-25/

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      • Guido StevensG Guido Stevens

        As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

        Mandatory age checks will be the end of the open web.

        “But the children…” is always the rhetorical device of choice to justify more surveillance. Meanwhile a pedo ring rules the world, with plaintext emails, without facing consequences.

        If the EU is serious about confronting Big Tech, it should abolish anti-circumvention laws, as @pluralistic argues. Invest in open source, instead of wiring massive sums to Microsoft every month. And tax billionaires out of existence forchrissake.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/spain-hits-back-at-pavel-durov-over-mass-telegram-post-on-social-media-ban-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

        divVerentD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @guidostevens@kolektiva.social @pluralistic@mamot.fr Precisely. Big Tech can afford implementing whatever it takes for the age checks. But every small web forum will be banned by this, as none of them can afford the tech for this.
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        • Guido StevensG Guido Stevens

          As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

          Mandatory age checks will be the end of the open web.

          “But the children…” is always the rhetorical device of choice to justify more surveillance. Meanwhile a pedo ring rules the world, with plaintext emails, without facing consequences.

          If the EU is serious about confronting Big Tech, it should abolish anti-circumvention laws, as @pluralistic argues. Invest in open source, instead of wiring massive sums to Microsoft every month. And tax billionaires out of existence forchrissake.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/spain-hits-back-at-pavel-durov-over-mass-telegram-post-on-social-media-ban-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

          XCondEX This user is from outside of this forum
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          @guidostevens on a slightly different topic, but from the same story:

          "The allegations underlying today’s raid are baseless and X categorically denies any wrongdoing"

          So that whole sexual abuse image generation stuff never happened? Or was it rightdoing?

          Gaslighting or the worse choice?

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          • Guido StevensG Guido Stevens

            As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

            Mandatory age checks will be the end of the open web.

            “But the children…” is always the rhetorical device of choice to justify more surveillance. Meanwhile a pedo ring rules the world, with plaintext emails, without facing consequences.

            If the EU is serious about confronting Big Tech, it should abolish anti-circumvention laws, as @pluralistic argues. Invest in open source, instead of wiring massive sums to Microsoft every month. And tax billionaires out of existence forchrissake.

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/spain-hits-back-at-pavel-durov-over-mass-telegram-post-on-social-media-ban-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

            Juan GamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            @guidostevens ah yes, my own government telling that Durov's lying with this... it's always for the children's safety, ay?

            How the hell is this even happening world wide? Like, we're just the latest country trying to apply this bs, but after UK and Australia, I feel like all countries are trying to do something similar...

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            • Juan GamesJ Juan Games

              @guidostevens ah yes, my own government telling that Durov's lying with this... it's always for the children's safety, ay?

              How the hell is this even happening world wide? Like, we're just the latest country trying to apply this bs, but after UK and Australia, I feel like all countries are trying to do something similar...

              Juan GamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @guidostevens this is a waste of resources, time, and will bring nothing positive to the users, I'm sure of it.

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              • Guido StevensG Guido Stevens

                As much as I agree that Europe needs to break the power of Big Tech, Durov actually has a point.

                Mandatory age checks will be the end of the open web.

                “But the children…” is always the rhetorical device of choice to justify more surveillance. Meanwhile a pedo ring rules the world, with plaintext emails, without facing consequences.

                If the EU is serious about confronting Big Tech, it should abolish anti-circumvention laws, as @pluralistic argues. Invest in open source, instead of wiring massive sums to Microsoft every month. And tax billionaires out of existence forchrissake.

                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/spain-hits-back-at-pavel-durov-over-mass-telegram-post-on-social-media-ban-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

                jabjoeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @guidostevens @pluralistic One thing I've noticed when main stream discuss this is they never mention monopolies, or Windows, or MS Office. Maybe iPhone and Android. It's like it's too painful to consider the MS basis of thier digital world.

                Main stream often don't mention open source and it existing forever. That there has always been those pushing back. Or that some economists have been trying to highlight the market problem just as long. MS has had multiple monopoly cases against, but they were weak and basically the cost of doing business, so changed little. It laid a path others followed for their own fiefdoms.

                It's great main stream is more awake, but they aren't fully awake yet.

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