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    holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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    At the moment the only noticeable problem in PC gaming is the existence of spinning drives. Least for multiplayer games.

    In a lot of newer games it’s become absurdly noticeable. You have a 5 min queue then your stuck waiting 10 mins on top of that cause some dipshit is loading off a spinning drive.

    It’s gotten to the point iv actually seen some Chinese games literally prevent you from installing the game at all. If you have ANY spinning drive in your system. And prevents if from booting the game if you have one in your system. Because it causes that much of a problem. Endless customer complaints of horrid queue and loading times cause your waiting on people with slow drives.

    Hard drives no longer are in the just good enough group for new games. It’s been a slow transfer but we are finally starting to see a hard line being draw in the sand. And I don’t expect it to slow down at this point.

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    • M mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      Steam survey is monthly too and most people don’t have two computers

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      holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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      At most they have a PC and a work laptop!

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      • M mangoholic@lemmy.ml

        They should just sell at a loss the steam games bought will make up for it. Every consol does that, why not this mini pc.

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        nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip
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        #127

        That’s just waiting corporate and other entity buying powerful PC for cheap. And Valve won’t get any game sales from it.

        Just like PS3 being used as supercomputer.

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        • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬D 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬

          In the whole ~30 years I’m using computers now I probably owned 2-3 computers in total. I wouldn’t say I’m wealthy or spend too much money on PCs, I just get the best hardware available and use it as long as possible.

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          holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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          Most people as in the VAST majority get the cheapest thing they can find and then use it as long as possible.

          You functionally are always 5 years ahead of the curve of you buy the best thing available and then use it for 5-7 years.

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            Valve Claims Steam Machine Outperforms 70% of Current Gaming PCs

            When Valve introduced its Steam Machine cube gaming console/PC, the gaming community began questioning the hardware choices and Valve's performance claims. However, a Valve engineer stated that the Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of gaming PCs on the market, based on Steam Survey data. It fe...

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            blackmist@feddit.uk
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            #129

            Yes, but mostly because most of the gaming PCs in Steam’s hardware survey are not really gaming PCs but just some piss poor spec laptops that can still run old games. Just having a dedicated GPU puts it in the top half.

            The GPU in this is in the 7600 RX range of things. It’s marketed as a 1080p card. Can certainly hit 4K on older titles, and output 4K with upscaling.

            Don’t expect miracles from it. It’s PS5 level hardware. But that’s good enough for most of us.

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            • blackmist@feddit.ukB blackmist@feddit.uk

              Yes, but mostly because most of the gaming PCs in Steam’s hardware survey are not really gaming PCs but just some piss poor spec laptops that can still run old games. Just having a dedicated GPU puts it in the top half.

              The GPU in this is in the 7600 RX range of things. It’s marketed as a 1080p card. Can certainly hit 4K on older titles, and output 4K with upscaling.

              Don’t expect miracles from it. It’s PS5 level hardware. But that’s good enough for most of us.

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              ryo@lemmy.eco.br
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              It’s PS5 level hardware that is still gonna have lower performance than a PS5 because it has too little VRAM, but hopefully we get PS5 level optimization for the hardware and for linux if it’s successful enough.

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              • U ulterno@programming.dev

                Well, if you are adding my 15yo Core2Quad in the percentage, of course those numbers come easy.

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                valmond@lemmy.world
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                E8400 for the win! Q6600 is soo out!

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                  It’s PS5 level hardware that is still gonna have lower performance than a PS5 because it has too little VRAM, but hopefully we get PS5 level optimization for the hardware and for linux if it’s successful enough.

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                  blackmist@feddit.uk
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                  12GB seems to be the sweet spot for VRAM, but I suspect the real issue is PC devs not really giving a fuck how hit runs on less than their dev kit.

                  But then a lot of PC gamers seem to think a game should always run at ultra, no matter how good their rig is.

                  And I will die on this hill: raytracing has been a colossal waste of everybody’s time and money.

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                    grainofsalt@sh.itjust.works
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                    Oblivion remastered too. Used a mod to turn off ray tracing outdoors only to make it playable on a 9070 xt. Frame rate still dropped to 20 fps if it rained. Never figured that one out. Gave up after one playthrough. It’s embarassing how many bugged quests there still are.

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                    • M mangoholic@lemmy.ml

                      They should just sell at a loss the steam games bought will make up for it. Every consol does that, why not this mini pc.

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                      dogs0n@sh.itjust.works
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                      Every console does that and it’s kinda anti-competitive behavior isn’t it?

                      Definitely makes it harder for new companies to release enticing hardware, so i’d say so…

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                        They should just sell at a loss the steam games bought will make up for it. Every consol does that, why not this mini pc.

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                        pyria
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                        That doesn’t make any sense to me.

                        Lets waste so much manpower, hours of labor, years of development and vice versa so that we can potentially taint the goodwill of fans by taking loss after loss and relying on them buying games they’ll never play on Steam.

                        Consoles are a bit more careful than this.

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                        • kurcatoviumK kurcatovium

                          That’s HROT on max settings and it’s fucking amazing!

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                          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          Yeah when it’s done well and part of the aesthetic, it’s different.

                          Labyrinth of the Demon King is another one that comes to mind.

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                          • blackmist@feddit.ukB blackmist@feddit.uk

                            Yes, but mostly because most of the gaming PCs in Steam’s hardware survey are not really gaming PCs but just some piss poor spec laptops that can still run old games. Just having a dedicated GPU puts it in the top half.

                            The GPU in this is in the 7600 RX range of things. It’s marketed as a 1080p card. Can certainly hit 4K on older titles, and output 4K with upscaling.

                            Don’t expect miracles from it. It’s PS5 level hardware. But that’s good enough for most of us.

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                            bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                            I get your point, but since people claim Steam is a monopoly, then by that logic they have a large swath of data on what counts as a gaming machine to the user base.

                            I get its not going to compete with a watercooled watt sucker, but that doesn’t seem to be the majority.

                            As a person that has gamed since 1983: Up until recently I was gaming on a 2013 dell mobo converted to a Core V21 case (that’s a lot of rewiring conversion --thanks dell), and using a CAD GPU.

                            Then work bought us new laptops with RTX cards. So graphics have improved for me.

                            Both of those are not hardcore gaming PCs, and this steam machine will probably outperform them.

                            My point being these were valid systems for gaming by a gamer. Not everyone needs an F1 car to enjoy the ride to work😀

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                              I get your point, but since people claim Steam is a monopoly, then by that logic they have a large swath of data on what counts as a gaming machine to the user base.

                              I get its not going to compete with a watercooled watt sucker, but that doesn’t seem to be the majority.

                              As a person that has gamed since 1983: Up until recently I was gaming on a 2013 dell mobo converted to a Core V21 case (that’s a lot of rewiring conversion --thanks dell), and using a CAD GPU.

                              Then work bought us new laptops with RTX cards. So graphics have improved for me.

                              Both of those are not hardcore gaming PCs, and this steam machine will probably outperform them.

                              My point being these were valid systems for gaming by a gamer. Not everyone needs an F1 car to enjoy the ride to work😀

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                              blackmist@feddit.uk
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                              Agreed, the best selling dedicated gaming system of the last few years is the Switch, which has less power than many phones.

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                                E8400 for the win! Q6600 is soo out!

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                                ulterno@programming.dev
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                                There’s also a Q8400 btw.
                                That’s what is lying around now the the motherboard is not working.

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                                  evotech@lemmy.world
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                                  If anyone knows this is steam. I belive them

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                                  • U ulterno@programming.dev

                                    I wish dual CPU motherboards were mainstream.
                                    I could then use the one I am keeping aside, during compilation/encoding tasks.

                                    But my current computer definitely come above on everything other then the VRAM.

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                                    valmond@lemmy.world
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                                    That’s not how you compile fast. I mean they exist but better buy a second PC for the price. Or optimise your project, or get a build cache.

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                                      That’s not how you compile fast. I mean they exist but better buy a second PC for the price. Or optimise your project, or get a build cache.

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                                      ulterno@programming.dev
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                                      Yeah, I get it.
                                      But what if most motherboards were just expected to have 2 slots, you know?
                                      Of course I won’t be switching to Threadripper just for getting 2 CPUs on a single motherboard and have kept the other CPU lying around, thinking of using it for keeping all the storage HDDs, and maybe offloading all re-encoding stuff onto it.

                                      For compilation though, I’m fine with just using my main PC, although I did look into distributed computing options, specially when using my laptop, I think I’m fine for now.


                                      It’s more like a fleeting though that came to me a few times, when I felt like playing a game while reencoding, but was unable to properly set the CPU usage for the encoders in ffmpeg.

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                                        bitwolf
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                                        Why use the word “claims”? They have the Valve Hardware survey to prove the statement.

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                                        • U ulterno@programming.dev

                                          Yeah, I get it.
                                          But what if most motherboards were just expected to have 2 slots, you know?
                                          Of course I won’t be switching to Threadripper just for getting 2 CPUs on a single motherboard and have kept the other CPU lying around, thinking of using it for keeping all the storage HDDs, and maybe offloading all re-encoding stuff onto it.

                                          For compilation though, I’m fine with just using my main PC, although I did look into distributed computing options, specially when using my laptop, I think I’m fine for now.


                                          It’s more like a fleeting though that came to me a few times, when I felt like playing a game while reencoding, but was unable to properly set the CPU usage for the encoders in ffmpeg.

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                                          valmond@lemmy.world
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                                          Time to get a little homelab 🙂 ! Like it can encode stuff for days without getting in the way and keep those drives accessible. Nowadays any tiny pc comes with an ethernet port so usually its just plug & play too.

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