@stux what is the 15-20k for? Rent for a certain time? Or sell price for a number of m2 living space?

@engravecavedave @kushal No, no, buy

Cheapest buy is around that price

Rent is around 800-1300 eur on avg

@grob A little charlot with some small lot on a park for example

Or a small vacation home where one can live permanently

@kevinrns *my dad can be like that and i hate it

@Shadedlady True that! Echter in comparison zijn dat kleine dingen om aan te passen

Duitsland zou nog wel een optie kunnen zijn, ik ga eens kijken hoe dat zit!

Het liefst willen we naar Spanje of Italie om uiteindelijk te settelen maarja.. ik ben bang dat daar vermogen voor nodig is

@Shadedlady Dat maakt niet uit I guess! Maar om er heen te immigreren, spullen te verhuizen, en dan daar nog iets huren/kopen

@Shadedlady Yup dat is wel iets recents inderdaad

@stux o en ps in Spanje is de hitte dus niet uit te houden in de zomer. In Catalunya gaat het nog wel

@Shadedlady Haha dat is een beetje het idee

Elk jaar lijkt het alsof de 'winterdepressie' steeds verder inzet dus zou graag naar een plek willen waar het altijd zomer is, even though more extreme

@stux

Blaming an age group reduces the resolution of the picture of the problem.
Not enough pixels.

Policies matter.

Policies to encourage real estate flipping as the primary retirement funding system are machines that throw people put of homes.

Policies to tax empty units less than rented units are machines that de-house your neighbours.

Berlin voted in a referendum they want to nationalise Berlin's 250,000 corporate apartments.

@stux ah! Very different from typical living spaces where I am: here you usually get apartments in large blocks or detached houses with a single family unit.

Average cost here is ~15€ per m² and month or ~5000€ per m² if you buy the place (prices vary hugely on location and quality though). Which is completely insane. Just checked Amsterdam and other large NL cities and it's even more there! How are you supposed to pay for that?

@kevinrns That true indeed

It's indeed a lot of policies and tax reductions here that make the issue a lot bigger and they refuse to address it since it'll costs them votes

@grob Yes that..

I have no earthly idea anymore

@stux 🫂

@stux Btw, you meant 200k Euro or 20k Euro?

@kushal I meant 20

200 would be a huge diff haha