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  • Legit_SpaghettiL Legit_Spaghetti

    @mattsheffield Yarvin is a dimwit, but what he's doing here is a classic fascist rhetorical tactic. He's shifted the conversation from focusing on his original idiotic take to now arguing about the definition of civil disobedience. He's trying to control the discourse.

    It's stupid, but effective.

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    @Legit_Spaghetti That is a common technique, but having read his work extensively, I can tell you that he genuinely is astonishingly ignorant about history and about the philosophical arguments of non-reactionaries.

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    • Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊T Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

      @mattsheffield

      There were a pretty good number of illustrations of civil disobedience in the Good Book. You know, the one these mooks were supposed to read? Disobedience and the like committed by that one guy, can't remember his name but it starts with a J?

      But these assholes think that if it didn't have a name, it didn't exist -- and that if they can erase its name then they can erase the thing.

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      @theogrin @mattsheffield
      Beat me to it. Examples are right there in the Gospel. Jesus never tells ANYONE to meekly accept abuse. He encourages civil disobedience in response to personal and communal affronts.

      Christofascists don't even want to understand this stuff.

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      • Mary Austin VOTED 4 HARRIS!M Mary Austin VOTED 4 HARRIS!

        @theogrin @mattsheffield
        Beat me to it. Examples are right there in the Gospel. Jesus never tells ANYONE to meekly accept abuse. He encourages civil disobedience in response to personal and communal affronts.

        Christofascists don't even want to understand this stuff.

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        @MaryAustinBooks @theogrin They do not.

        However, it is the case that Yarvin is of Jewish ancestry. I suspect that he would be just as ignorant on this point, even if he had been raised as a Christian.

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        • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

          The far right's smartest people are deeply ignorant. This is why their policy ideas always end in disaster or corruption.

          Here's Curtis Yarvin showing he knows nothing about the history of civil disobedience.

          Henry David Thoreau invented the term in 1849, to describe practices that had existed long before that, such as in the work of Augustine who declared that unjust laws were not laws at all.

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          @mattsheffield I ask for your support and participation in our circumstances.

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          • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

            The far right's smartest people are deeply ignorant. This is why their policy ideas always end in disaster or corruption.

            Here's Curtis Yarvin showing he knows nothing about the history of civil disobedience.

            Henry David Thoreau invented the term in 1849, to describe practices that had existed long before that, such as in the work of Augustine who declared that unjust laws were not laws at all.

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            @mattsheffield

            LOL. Curtis Yarvin's self-awareness about who has a childlike susceptibility to foolish, nonsensical arguments seems a bit low.

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            • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

              @MaryAustinBooks @theogrin They do not.

              However, it is the case that Yarvin is of Jewish ancestry. I suspect that he would be just as ignorant on this point, even if he had been raised as a Christian.

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              @mattsheffield @theogrin
              Oh, the only other time I heard of him was laughing my ass off at this article. Guess he is one of the relatively smart Nazis if he realizes they're going to lose. I didn't know he was of Jewish descent, but as you say, this is clearly not a guy who adheres to the humanistic principles of any religion.

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              • Mary Austin VOTED 4 HARRIS!M Mary Austin VOTED 4 HARRIS!

                @mattsheffield @theogrin
                Oh, the only other time I heard of him was laughing my ass off at this article. Guess he is one of the relatively smart Nazis if he realizes they're going to lose. I didn't know he was of Jewish descent, but as you say, this is clearly not a guy who adheres to the humanistic principles of any religion.

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                @MaryAustinBooks @theogrin Yes, he is a Jewish Nazi. It's disturbing how many of them there are nowadays. They learned nothing from what happened to their ancestors at the hands of the far right.

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                • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                  @MaryAustinBooks @theogrin Yes, he is a Jewish Nazi. It's disturbing how many of them there are nowadays. They learned nothing from what happened to their ancestors at the hands of the far right.

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                  @mattsheffield @MaryAustinBooks

                  Entirely fair! Then I point instead at Exodus 1:19. Pharaoh goes, "Okay, all Hebrew boys should be drowned at birth," and the midwives go, "Oh, sorry. Those Hebrew women are so celeritous that by the time we get there the babies have already been born."

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                  • Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊T Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

                    @mattsheffield @MaryAustinBooks

                    Entirely fair! Then I point instead at Exodus 1:19. Pharaoh goes, "Okay, all Hebrew boys should be drowned at birth," and the midwives go, "Oh, sorry. Those Hebrew women are so celeritous that by the time we get there the babies have already been born."

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                    @theogrin @mattsheffield
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                    • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                      @Legit_Spaghetti That is a common technique, but having read his work extensively, I can tell you that he genuinely is astonishingly ignorant about history and about the philosophical arguments of non-reactionaries.

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                      @mattsheffield @Legit_Spaghetti Willfully ignorant IMO

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                      • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                        The far right's smartest people are deeply ignorant. This is why their policy ideas always end in disaster or corruption.

                        Here's Curtis Yarvin showing he knows nothing about the history of civil disobedience.

                        Henry David Thoreau invented the term in 1849, to describe practices that had existed long before that, such as in the work of Augustine who declared that unjust laws were not laws at all.

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                        @mattsheffield

                        No lube for Yarbin's bleached pucker

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                        • TimoT Timo

                          @mattsheffield Yikes. That's an insane response. That's like saying the concept of human rights didn't start until 1948 when the United Nations produced a document about it.

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                          @timo21 @mattsheffield

                          The Declaration of Independence is a list of the King's crimes in a written act of civil disobedience.

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                          • Legit_SpaghettiL Legit_Spaghetti

                            @mattsheffield Yarvin is a dimwit, but what he's doing here is a classic fascist rhetorical tactic. He's shifted the conversation from focusing on his original idiotic take to now arguing about the definition of civil disobedience. He's trying to control the discourse.

                            It's stupid, but effective.

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                            @Legit_Spaghetti @mattsheffield I wouldn't even call what he did here an "argument". He just spat out a couple baseless, nonsense claims. One is demonstrably false ("civil disobedience" is a made up term, but that's not what it was made up to mean).

                            We could probably improve the level of conversation in the world by many orders of magnitude if we first just stopped calling bullshit like this "arguing". It's not. All he did was assert opinion.

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                            • crazyeddieC crazyeddie

                              @Legit_Spaghetti @mattsheffield I wouldn't even call what he did here an "argument". He just spat out a couple baseless, nonsense claims. One is demonstrably false ("civil disobedience" is a made up term, but that's not what it was made up to mean).

                              We could probably improve the level of conversation in the world by many orders of magnitude if we first just stopped calling bullshit like this "arguing". It's not. All he did was assert opinion.

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                              @crazyeddie @Legit_Spaghetti Unfortunately, this is how most Trumpers argue. They're incredibly ignorant and only know what they had heard regurgitated from Fox.

                              They really do think that stating their opinion is an argument. That's all that Matt Walsh ever does.

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                              • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                                The far right's smartest people are deeply ignorant. This is why their policy ideas always end in disaster or corruption.

                                Here's Curtis Yarvin showing he knows nothing about the history of civil disobedience.

                                Henry David Thoreau invented the term in 1849, to describe practices that had existed long before that, such as in the work of Augustine who declared that unjust laws were not laws at all.

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                                @mattsheffield in high school, we specifically read Thoreau’s ā€œCivil Disobedienceā€ alongside Plato’s dialogues about Socrates’ trial and execution. it’s even more ridiculous given how much these losers drone on and on about ā€œwestern civilizationā€ without having read fucking Plato of all things. Blargh

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                                • Joscelyn TranspiringJ Joscelyn Transpiring

                                  @mattsheffield in high school, we specifically read Thoreau’s ā€œCivil Disobedienceā€ alongside Plato’s dialogues about Socrates’ trial and execution. it’s even more ridiculous given how much these losers drone on and on about ā€œwestern civilizationā€ without having read fucking Plato of all things. Blargh

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                                  @JoscelynTransient Yes, their ignorance of the Westen literature they pretend to admire is immense.

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