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Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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    Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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    solastalgia krisI This user is from outside of this forum
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    @cstross I'm predicting the comments will be filled by people who didn't even read the whole thing to the end. The author isn't saying women should reject AI 😉

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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      They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

      Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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      (abiawomosu.substack.com)

      (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

      Sidus NareS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @cstross I can't stand it when an LLM uses first person pronouns, F that obsequious, servile, self effacing BS.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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        They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

        Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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        (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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        #8

        @cstross if only we lived in a world where people listened to women. What a concept!

        I wrote this series on AI two years ago. We also have it in a printable zine version.
        https://www.rootschangemedia.com/bros-club-tech-ai-dominance/

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        • Medea VanamondeM Medea Vanamonde

          @cstross for femme presenting AI i’d want Ross from Night Court, or Floe or Selma:

          Otherwise it would be Burroughs or Hunter S. Thompson AI for that Dixie Flatline Feel, with a high preference for Hunter

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          @MedeaVanamonde Spider Jerusalem or go home!

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @MedeaVanamonde Spider Jerusalem or go home!

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            @cstross
            Hunter’s disembodied voice “Good god man! Don’t you realize there’s a chip shortage on? We can’t stop here, it’s Malware Country”

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            • Medea VanamondeM Medea Vanamonde

              @cstross
              Hunter’s disembodied voice “Good god man! Don’t you realize there’s a chip shortage on? We can’t stop here, it’s Malware Country”

              Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @MedeaVanamonde Meanwhile Spider Jerusalem injects a speedball straight into his eye socket then dials his bowel disrupter to "Prolapse" smiles like a skull, and prepares to conduct another adversarial interview—

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                @MedeaVanamonde Meanwhile Spider Jerusalem injects a speedball straight into his eye socket then dials his bowel disrupter to "Prolapse" smiles like a skull, and prepares to conduct another adversarial interview—

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                @cstross

                I had my Hunter iconography amped by Colonel Hunter Gathers on the Venture Brothers…a cartoon i binge watch when Psyche and Pneuma have been injured.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                  They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                  Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                  (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                  (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

                  Spacewizard!  (Ed H)S This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @cstross The article swerves hard at the end to suddenly supporting liberated girlboss women commanding their own Stepford AIs 😕

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                    They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                    Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                    (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                    (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

                    morfil  (any)🌈M This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @cstross seem to remember the second one on the left to have been quite a cool -change the pardigm- kinda woman?

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                      They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                      Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                      (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                      (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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                      @cstross I find it quite telling that ai still struggles with all kinds of details, but pretty girls faces it can do spot on.

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                      • solastalgia krisI solastalgia kris

                        @cstross I'm predicting the comments will be filled by people who didn't even read the whole thing to the end. The author isn't saying women should reject AI 😉

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                        @iyashikei_kris Indeed. I was nodding all along until I got to the last 25% of the essay. I have no interest in building a better AI. With fascism rising and climate collapse inexorably approaching, investing trillions in AI is like taking up crack to stop smoking.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                          They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                          Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                          (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                          (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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                          @cstross

                          Japanese women are marrying these Agents.

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                          AI romance blooms as Japan woman weds virtual partner of her dreams

                          Music played in a wedding hall in western Japan as Yurina Noguchi, wearing a white gown and tiara, dabbed away her tears, taking in the words of her husband-to-be: an AI-generated persona gazing out f...

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                            They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                            Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                            (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                            (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

                            Kyle Memoir 🍉F This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @cstross

                            The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

                            'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

                            This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

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                            • Spacewizard!  (Ed H)S Spacewizard! (Ed H)

                              @cstross The article swerves hard at the end to suddenly supporting liberated girlboss women commanding their own Stepford AIs 😕

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                              Boy howdy yes. Completely skipping one of the causes of revulsion: the most Stepfordy nature is going to lead the user astray.

                              The stock character for *that* is the much younger last wife of the magnate, who spends the family fortune and advances her cousins into control of the business and is herself seduced by a continental Count of dubious origins and loyalty.

                              @spacewizard @cstross

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                              • clewC clew

                                Boy howdy yes. Completely skipping one of the causes of revulsion: the most Stepfordy nature is going to lead the user astray.

                                The stock character for *that* is the much younger last wife of the magnate, who spends the family fortune and advances her cousins into control of the business and is herself seduced by a continental Count of dubious origins and loyalty.

                                @spacewizard @cstross

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                                patriarchal men* deeply don’t get that women, servants, employees have been _saving them from their own bad decisions_. While pretending not to.

                                Women, servants, employees know how hard this is; it’s three or four layers of theory of mind, its planning so far ahead that you move the pebble, not the landslide. It often fails; that’s our fault too.

                                * applies across any power chasm, apply as needed

                                @spacewizard @cstross

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                                • Kyle Memoir 🍉F Kyle Memoir 🍉

                                  @cstross

                                  The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

                                  'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

                                  This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

                                  Robert BanzT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @f800gecko “you’re absolutely right!”

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                                    They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                                    Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                                    (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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                                    @cstross I get *exactly* that feeling those women interviewed describe when looking at AI imagery, reading AI text or when I've had to interact with an LLM chatbot. Utter revulsion from deep in the hindbrain, sometimes surfacing *before* I'm sure I'm looking at AI output.

                                    I can't explain exactly why. (And I'm not a woman, so I don't think the suggested explanation here would apply to me.)

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      Why agentic AI creeps out women: because it's written by bros for bros who want Stepford Wives, and conveys that vibe: commercial AIs are fine-tuned to perform as cheerfully submissive handmaids, not working partners:

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                                      They Built Stepford AI and Called It “Agentic”

                                      Women’s “ick” for AI isn’t technophobia or a gap to close. It’s wisdom to act on.

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                                      (abiawomosu.substack.com)

                                      (via https://awful.systems/comment/10543801)

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                                      @cstross there is truth to it, but really tendentious writing.

                                      The substack profile picture mentions "telling you a different story about AI". A story is not an assessment.

                                      The suggestion is nice, but often in practice people will use other peoples' server, i'd not depend or send too much...

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                                      • dataramaD datarama

                                        @cstross I get *exactly* that feeling those women interviewed describe when looking at AI imagery, reading AI text or when I've had to interact with an LLM chatbot. Utter revulsion from deep in the hindbrain, sometimes surfacing *before* I'm sure I'm looking at AI output.

                                        I can't explain exactly why. (And I'm not a woman, so I don't think the suggested explanation here would apply to me.)

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                                        @datarama @cstross there’s a really weird feel to the format. Pretty sure an article I read today was at least reformatted with an LLM. It felt like it was written to a formula designed for SEO with no style of its own at all.

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                                        • Kyle Memoir 🍉F Kyle Memoir 🍉

                                          @cstross

                                          The 'typing' of the AI options kinda nails it:

                                          'ChatGPT’s defining feature isn’t efficiency. It’s sycophancy. She agrees with whatever you say. Validates your position even when you’re wrong. Tells you what you want to hear. Never really pushes back. Makes you feel smart regardless of reality.

                                          This isn’t a bug. It’s retention strategy.'

                                          Hannah SteenbockF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @f800gecko

                                          A striking similarity to drugs like cocaine. Maybe it is similarly addictive, too.

                                          @cstross

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