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"Scientific research of gender transition has been stuck on 'should these people be allowed to transition' for 50 years, so we don't know shit about how transitioning actually works."

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  • Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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    "Scientific research of gender transition has been stuck on 'should these people be allowed to transition' for 50 years, so we don't know shit about how transitioning actually works."

    https://bsky.app/profile/katelynburns.com/post/3mcxgiwsvfs2i

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    • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

      "Scientific research of gender transition has been stuck on 'should these people be allowed to transition' for 50 years, so we don't know shit about how transitioning actually works."

      https://bsky.app/profile/katelynburns.com/post/3mcxgiwsvfs2i

      Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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      Nowhere Girl
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      This is in response to the factoid that Dylan Mulvaney's feet shrank once she started HRT. There's lots of evidence for the efficacy of gender-affirming care and that many of our biological assumptions about what hormones can and cannot do turn out to be untrue.

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      • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

        This is in response to the factoid that Dylan Mulvaney's feet shrank once she started HRT. There's lots of evidence for the efficacy of gender-affirming care and that many of our biological assumptions about what hormones can and cannot do turn out to be untrue.

        Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
        Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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        Cis people talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to gender and gender affirming care.

        They will say gender is innate and biological in order to deny a trans kid treatment. But they'll say gender is socialized, not innate or biological, in order to justify doing surgeries on intersex infants. It's fine! Those kids will never notice! And when an intersex person insists the doctors were wrong and tries to undo the damage, they often aren't allowed either.

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        • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

          Cis people talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to gender and gender affirming care.

          They will say gender is innate and biological in order to deny a trans kid treatment. But they'll say gender is socialized, not innate or biological, in order to justify doing surgeries on intersex infants. It's fine! Those kids will never notice! And when an intersex person insists the doctors were wrong and tries to undo the damage, they often aren't allowed either.

          Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
          Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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          For both trans and intersex people, categories which can and sometimes do overlap, what some doctor decided when they glanced at your genitals after you were born decides basically your entire life. And the entire culture loses its shit when you suggest that's stupid.

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          • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

            For both trans and intersex people, categories which can and sometimes do overlap, what some doctor decided when they glanced at your genitals after you were born decides basically your entire life. And the entire culture loses its shit when you suggest that's stupid.

            Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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            I won't discuss the merits of such research as no justification is required but isn't it interesting how you don't hear about brain imaging studies anymore?

            Because in the aggregate, they overwhelmingly supported trans identities.

            This kind of research was happening all over the place not too long ago. They were constantly in the news.

            Now? Not so much.

            The few studies I've seen recently suggest that HRT actually makes trans brains even more closely resemble those of their gender.

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            • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

              I won't discuss the merits of such research as no justification is required but isn't it interesting how you don't hear about brain imaging studies anymore?

              Because in the aggregate, they overwhelmingly supported trans identities.

              This kind of research was happening all over the place not too long ago. They were constantly in the news.

              Now? Not so much.

              The few studies I've seen recently suggest that HRT actually makes trans brains even more closely resemble those of their gender.

              Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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              It's a lot like how it was in the 1930s.

              As soon as this research started to be done and proved to be in our favor, cis-het society recoiled and decided that science itself was illegitimate.

              Every argument deployed against trans people today, even by supposedly educated people, boils down to some variation of "god's will" and "queer people are freaks of nature."

              Some people will make common cause with the actual historical Nazis rather than leave others alone.

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              • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

                It's a lot like how it was in the 1930s.

                As soon as this research started to be done and proved to be in our favor, cis-het society recoiled and decided that science itself was illegitimate.

                Every argument deployed against trans people today, even by supposedly educated people, boils down to some variation of "god's will" and "queer people are freaks of nature."

                Some people will make common cause with the actual historical Nazis rather than leave others alone.

                Nowhere GirlG This user is from outside of this forum
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                Nowhere Girl
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                Basically, whenever science says "hey, these are human beings and you should stop genociding them," a bunch of people will turn on a dime and decide fascism is preferable to the enlightenment liberalism they professed to believe in.

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                • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

                  This is in response to the factoid that Dylan Mulvaney's feet shrank once she started HRT. There's lots of evidence for the efficacy of gender-affirming care and that many of our biological assumptions about what hormones can and cannot do turn out to be untrue.

                  Rachel LawsonR This user is from outside of this forum
                  Rachel LawsonR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @gwynnion yeah, the whole feet shrinking thing is real. Definitely got a lot of that here.
                  It’s something to do with cartilage and hormones

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                  • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

                    This is in response to the factoid that Dylan Mulvaney's feet shrank once she started HRT. There's lots of evidence for the efficacy of gender-affirming care and that many of our biological assumptions about what hormones can and cannot do turn out to be untrue.

                    <eleanor>R This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @gwynnion@mastodon.sociwal it's wild to me that people learn the feet shrinking thing and don't share the info probably because it doesn't come up very loudly over "they want us dead" but still, l¹×

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                    • Nowhere GirlG Nowhere Girl

                      Basically, whenever science says "hey, these are human beings and you should stop genociding them," a bunch of people will turn on a dime and decide fascism is preferable to the enlightenment liberalism they professed to believe in.

                      BowieB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @gwynnion yeah. It shouldn't be that way, but you're not wrong. *Sigh*

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