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🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

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  • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

    Cumulative advances in knowledge are threatening to people who only want to use somatic reasoning and who respond to all new things memetically. They want to imitate authorities rather than have humility and accept extrinsic realities through abstraction.

    This is the conservative epistemology. And it's inherently pre-political. There are many conservatives who are not Republicans or Tories, etc. https://plus.flux.community/p/the-science-behind-why-donald-trump

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    Matthew Sheffield
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    Besides piling up all kinds of newfangled things, expansions in knowledge also can liberate people from social prejudices.

    For centuries, women and other ethnic groups were not "fully human." Homosexuality & trans people weren't "real."

    These bigotries are the product of what's often called the "problem of other minds."

    Because cognition is inherently private, & language is an only a very partial extrusion of thought, we can't know for sure that other minds are real. https://plus.flux.community/p/renee-good-and-the-problem-of-other

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    • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

      Besides piling up all kinds of newfangled things, expansions in knowledge also can liberate people from social prejudices.

      For centuries, women and other ethnic groups were not "fully human." Homosexuality & trans people weren't "real."

      These bigotries are the product of what's often called the "problem of other minds."

      Because cognition is inherently private, & language is an only a very partial extrusion of thought, we can't know for sure that other minds are real. https://plus.flux.community/p/renee-good-and-the-problem-of-other

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      Matthew Sheffield
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      Liberalism originated as #philosophy that said all minds are equal, that no one has inherent superiority, and that anyone can be wrong. This is ultimately why right-wing people hate it so much.

      But the problem of other minds also extends to institutions made by other minds.

      During the Great Depression and after World War II, the United States and many other countries built governmental and international institutions to alleviate poverty and resolve disputes.

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      • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

        Liberalism originated as #philosophy that said all minds are equal, that no one has inherent superiority, and that anyone can be wrong. This is ultimately why right-wing people hate it so much.

        But the problem of other minds also extends to institutions made by other minds.

        During the Great Depression and after World War II, the United States and many other countries built governmental and international institutions to alleviate poverty and resolve disputes.

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        These institutions and the global order they created were very far from perfect, but they were much better than what existed before.

        Unfortunately, their creators didn't realize that they needed to continue to advocate for institutions and to always reform them to help more.

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        • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

          These institutions and the global order they created were very far from perfect, but they were much better than what existed before.

          Unfortunately, their creators didn't realize that they needed to continue to advocate for institutions and to always reform them to help more.

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          Matthew Sheffield
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          People are sometimes surprised that Trump and other reactionary politicians don't have consistent policies.

          They shouldn't be. Reactionaries hate abstract systems and coherence. They don't understand NATO, USAID, public broadcasting, literature, or science. So these things must be destroyed.

          Government as the ultimate mutual aid, cooperation, consent, and sexual autonomy are concepts that don't make sense in a worldview where only the strong survive.

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          • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

            People are sometimes surprised that Trump and other reactionary politicians don't have consistent policies.

            They shouldn't be. Reactionaries hate abstract systems and coherence. They don't understand NATO, USAID, public broadcasting, literature, or science. So these things must be destroyed.

            Government as the ultimate mutual aid, cooperation, consent, and sexual autonomy are concepts that don't make sense in a worldview where only the strong survive.

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            Matthew Sheffield
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            #Science and democracy need each other, and it's also no coincidence that reactionaries hate both. This is why Trump and his band of totalitarians have been de-funding them and attacking them.

            Much more on how and why here: https://plus.flux.community/p/science-is-under-attack-because-it

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            • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

              #Science and democracy need each other, and it's also no coincidence that reactionaries hate both. This is why Trump and his band of totalitarians have been de-funding them and attacking them.

              Much more on how and why here: https://plus.flux.community/p/science-is-under-attack-because-it

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              Science, democracy, and art all go together. And so does sexual freedom. They're all ways of knowing ourselves.

              We've known these truths among ourselves, but we have not talked about them nearly enough to the broader public.

              That must change. https://plus.flux.community/p/the-right-wing-wars-on-science-and

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              • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                Science, democracy, and art all go together. And so does sexual freedom. They're all ways of knowing ourselves.

                We've known these truths among ourselves, but we have not talked about them nearly enough to the broader public.

                That must change. https://plus.flux.community/p/the-right-wing-wars-on-science-and

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                Matthew Sheffield
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                I'll be publishing a lot more on how cognitive science and philosophy apply to politics so please follow if this is of interest to you. Also please follow @discoverflux

                I could sure use your help boosting the first post of this thread as well. Thank you!

                /end

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                • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                  🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                  There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                  News & Opinions
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                  @mattsheffield
                  Sorry but I must use the f-word here!
                  "Fascist politicians justify their ideas by breaking down a common sense of history in creating a mythic past to support their vision for the present. They rewrite the population’s shared understanding of reality by twisting the language of ideals through propaganda and promoting anti-intellectualism, attacking universities and educational systems that might challenge their
                  ideas." pg. 10, How Fascism Works
                  https://blackbooksdotpub.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/jason-stanley-how-fascism-works_-the-politics-of-us-and-them-random-house-2018.pdf

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                  • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                    🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                    There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                    Matv1
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                    @mattsheffield
                    I heard #GoreVidal once define an intellectual as someone who understands an abstract.

                    I understand how a society would want to arm itself with assault riffles, having things like this being said right in the open.

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                    • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                      🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                      There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                      eostelis
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                      @mattsheffield No, no, no, no, no!!! They don't struggle with abstract thinking at all, nor that the problem is ppsychological. They intelligently and lucidly target whatever is a material obstacle to their fascist political agenda.

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                      • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                        🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                        There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                        Nahmia
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                        @mattsheffield many reasons, yes. real reason - he's a tyrant. each of these encourages independent thinking. that works against tyrants and encourages independent thinking. tyrants only want those who agree totally with them. look at all the yes-men in his cabinet and how few there are who will actually challenge him.

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                          @mattsheffield many reasons, yes. real reason - he's a tyrant. each of these encourages independent thinking. that works against tyrants and encourages independent thinking. tyrants only want those who agree totally with them. look at all the yes-men in his cabinet and how few there are who will actually challenge him.

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                          @Nahmia I get into that very thing later in the thread. They want to believe their personal prejudices are rational, and so they seek to suppress extrinsic thought.

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                            @mattsheffield No, no, no, no, no!!! They don't struggle with abstract thinking at all, nor that the problem is ppsychological. They intelligently and lucidly target whatever is a material obstacle to their fascist political agenda.

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                            @eostelis But you need to ask, why is that?

                            The reason is that they want simple, easy answers. They prefer that because it relieves them of the burden of abstract reasoning. Fascism is an expression of this very mindset: Simple, clear answers that don't rely on challenging debate or reason, just gut feelings.

                            Put another way, your own argument validates this. They want an 'ordered' system that meets their gut feelings, and that excuses them from having to prove their arguments.

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                            • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                              🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                              There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                              DonCC
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                              @mattsheffield
                              "struggle with abstract thinking"...
                              ie- they are unintelligent and immature

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                              • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                                🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                                There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                                Pennie_525
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                                @mattsheffield Trump is the least educated president that we've ever had. That's why.

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                                • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                                  🧵 As a former Republican consultant who left in 2015, I'm often asked why Trump and his minions are willingly destroying science, K12 education, universities, international organizations, public broadcasting, and social welfare institutions.

                                  There are many reasons, but the main ones are psychological rather than ideological. They struggle with abstract thinking and are afraid of the world...

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                                  65dBnoise
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                                  @mattsheffield
                                  Interesting. Though you seem to ignore economic interests and the need for assertion and preservation of power by the oligarchy in a rigged political system coming to a crisis, both environmental and political, where the accumulated enormous inequalities hang like the sword of Damocles over their heads, making their need to act now urgent. Scientists, intellectuals, their institutions and anyone who can think straight are no allies in such conditions. Isn't that reason enough?

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                                    @mattsheffield
                                    Interesting. Though you seem to ignore economic interests and the need for assertion and preservation of power by the oligarchy in a rigged political system coming to a crisis, both environmental and political, where the accumulated enormous inequalities hang like the sword of Damocles over their heads, making their need to act now urgent. Scientists, intellectuals, their institutions and anyone who can think straight are no allies in such conditions. Isn't that reason enough?

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                                    Matthew Sheffield
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                                    @65dBnoise I'm going a layer deeper than your idea here. Why would oligarchs want such things? They go against the evolved nature of humans as cooperative beings--except to a small minority with differing cognitive habits.

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                                    • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                                      @65dBnoise I'm going a layer deeper than your idea here. Why would oligarchs want such things? They go against the evolved nature of humans as cooperative beings--except to a small minority with differing cognitive habits.

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                                      65dBnoise
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                                      @mattsheffield
                                      Sure, but going deeper, say to subatomic level in physics, doesn't mean that macroscopic reality is non existent, does it?

                                      When trying to balance the forces at play, much is unclear of missing in your idea: one can't ignore real measurable forces and their dynamics in favor of non measurable subconscious urges. Economic and power forces are real and an end in themselves; not all powerful people are "inherently terrified of most things", some enjoy intellect and wisdom,
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                                      • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                                        @65dBnoise I'm going a layer deeper than your idea here. Why would oligarchs want such things? They go against the evolved nature of humans as cooperative beings--except to a small minority with differing cognitive habits.

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                                        65dBnoise
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                                        @mattsheffield
                                        yet they want to and keep their grip on political power nonetheless.

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                                        • Matthew SheffieldM Matthew Sheffield

                                          I'll be publishing a lot more on how cognitive science and philosophy apply to politics so please follow if this is of interest to you. Also please follow @discoverflux

                                          I could sure use your help boosting the first post of this thread as well. Thank you!

                                          /end

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                                          @mattsheffield @discoverflux this "quick response" thinking leads to deeply insecure men because men (in fact almost no one) aren't good at it. This is where Jordan Petersen's and Ben Shapiro's Gish gallops and goal post moving comes from. They hope they can speak quickly enough for no one to notice they're wrong or at best vacuous.

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