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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

    Notes for Americans:

    1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

    2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

    3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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    @cstross But a lot has changed in basic ability since 1992. Not in the positive sense either.
    And people in China now wire the UK plugs on for you.

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    • topsT tops

      @cstross how many do you keep around, "just in case"? (Me: two or three at least)

      @mpjgregoire @jbayes

      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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      @tops @mpjgregoire @jbayes I don't any more. Used to keep a couple on hand until the mid-90s.

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      • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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        @sotolf @cstross Anthropic's Claude Opus 4.6 uncovers 500 zero-day flaws in open-source code https://www.axios.com/2026/02/05/anthropic-claude-opus-46-software-hunting

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        • Tim Ward ⭐πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ”Ά  #FBPET Tim Ward ⭐πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ”Ά #FBPE

          @cstross @swetland Yes, I remember there were two sizes, what I don't remember was the precise mix of two- and three-pin variants.

          Kim Spence-Jones πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§πŸ˜·K This user is from outside of this forum
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          @TimWardCam @cstross @swetland
          There were (and still are) three sizes of round three-pin plugs in UK: 2A, 5A and 15A. Because they don’t have fuses in the plug, the 5A and 15A outlets must be radially wired from a correspondingly-rated circuit breaker. (I’m not sure what the rules are for 2A; that’s almost exclusively used for lighting appliances, often controlled by light switches.)

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          • Erik JonkerE Erik Jonker

            @sotolf @cstross Anthropic's Claude Opus 4.6 uncovers 500 zero-day flaws in open-source code https://www.axios.com/2026/02/05/anthropic-claude-opus-46-software-hunting

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            @sotolf @cstross or if you are into biology, AlphaFold β€” Google DeepMind https://deepmind.google/science/alphafold/ ,

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            • Christian SieversS Christian Sievers

              @nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

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              peter purgathoferP This user is from outside of this forum
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              @Sie @nygl @cstross r/DINgore would be proud of you.

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              • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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                @sotolf @cstross AlphaFold 3 (2024) explicitly uses a generative diffusion model

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                • MarianneN Marianne

                  @cstross out of curiosity, surely it spits out a slightly different thing every time? Have people replicated this? I'm sure it'd give similarly deadly results multiple times

                  which is why people really need to do better and learn what these things are (not) so they don't fking go to it for advice and how-tos in the first place πŸ˜•

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                  @noodlemaz @cstross I've lost count of the number of people I've encountered who default to "I'll ask ChatGPT" instead of a search engine, never mind something like Wikipedia or a purpose built site.

                  Slop has become the first port of call for a staggering percentage of internet users. Voice input probably reduces the friction even further. 😬

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                  • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @sotolf @cstross yeah , winning a nobel prize for physics with AI is all bullshit then...πŸ˜‚

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                    • Erik JonkerE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @sotolf @cstross sure, but please Google (not the AI preview πŸ˜‰) , there are plenty of serious and useful applications of generative AI / transformers

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        @akicif I know: I grew up in one of those houses. (It was rewired when I was 13.)

                        RickH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #164

                        @cstross @akicif My old school still had them back in around '77. I hope the place has been re-wired since....

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                          Notes for Americans:

                          1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                          2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                          3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                          Dave TownsendM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @cstross one saving grace here is that ChatGPT's plug has its pins in completely the wrong position so you're not actually going to be able to plug it into a socket anyway

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                          • ChristopherD Christopher

                            @cstross When people used to list life skills they thought should be taught in schools rather than academic subjects, how to wire a plug was a popular choice. So also was how to balance a chequebook.

                            leah & flutters & nose, oh my!M This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @dearlove @cstross basic bookkeeping is still an essential skill - it just doesn't involve actual cheques any more

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                            • Stuart Longland (VK4MSL)S Stuart Longland (VK4MSL)

                              @cstross I would have thought, given it appears to be connecting live to earth, it'd trip the RCD rather quickly.

                              leah & flutters & nose, oh my!M This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @stuartl @cstross puts a whole new spin on coming up short πŸ˜‰

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

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                                @cstross ah yes the four wire uk plug with 2 pins

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  @dresstokilt I'm talking about the UK. Where EVERYTHING runs on 230v and nothing came with a plug prior to 1992. Read for context!

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                                  @cstross @dresstokilt and you still see stuff with rewireable plugs fairly frequently (although molded plugs are getting more common)

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                                  • Sean FenianZ Sean Fenian

                                    @cstross@wandering.shop I love the BS1363 plug. US wall plugs are FLIMSY JUNK.

                                    Also, ChatGPT doesn't even have the PINS in the right places.

                                    I saw a similar LLM-generated diagram of how to wire an outlet into a wall box. It was even more surreal.

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                                    @cstross @zakalwe There's not much that's good about the UK, but our plugs are exceptional.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @uep You called, sir?

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                                      @cstross @uep Luckily there’s no olympic ski jumping for rats otherwise we’d be on to a wi(e)nner

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

                                        Notes for Americans:

                                        1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances in the UK (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

                                        2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

                                        3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

                                        Medea VanamondeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @cstross @purplepadma @nomenloony

                                        The Fake AI and The Real Darwinowing

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                                        • Steve GloverA Steve Glover

                                          @cstross 1.a) The UK still had homes wired with the old round pin (2,5,15 amp) plugs until stupidly late.

                                          A 2a round pin gave just enough energy to use a wee heating element to boil a cup of water.

                                          For 13A plugs, the lowest available fuse was 3A so an old boilette could overheat for minutes before the fuse would blow....

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                                          @akicif @cstross

                                          The old BS546 round pin plug is (I think) still used (in the 15 Amp size) in theatre/stage lighting because they are not fused - so you don't have to climb the gantry and change fuses in mid air if one blows. The 13A (BS1363) plug tends to come with 3A or 13A fuses fitted, but there's an entire range from 1A to 13A available: "Fuses Assorted Household UK 8 Values 100 Pcs BS1362 1A 2A 3A 5A 7A 10A 13A 240V 6.3x25 mm". 3 amp are red, 13 amp are brown, the rest are black.

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