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  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

    Do spend a moment with my assertion that this is the intended effect. If it’s clear who the secret police are targeting, then it’s clear whether you are safe, whether you should be afraid. If the secret police are randomly targeting everyone, then •everyone• has to be afraid.

    •That• is what an authoritarian regime wants. The systems that created ICE’s chaotic, violent behavior are not accidental.

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    @inthehands It’s likely a truism that if a police force can be transparent about who they’re targeting, they wouldn’t need to be *secret* police.

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    • F Clare Page

      @Lynn Regarding this boost, It's bad enough that those ICE agents are violently kidnapping anybody, let alone not caring if the victims are immigrants or not, and getting paid per head for the people they grab anyway! Not only is your president a criminal, but he's allowing agents to act like criminals themselves: what a mess, to put it politely!

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      @frog67 Yes, the whole thing is a huge mess, but really, all this began the day he took office in 2017. This has been one event building on another, with a four-year pause for the Biden administration, in between.

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

        Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

        ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

        🧵

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        ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

        Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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        @inthehands It's the wild, wild west and these goons are bounty hunters.

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        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

          ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

          Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

          ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

          🧵

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          ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

          Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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          @inthehands

          it's not surprising ICE uses the term "body" when referring to a (very much alive) human being. This is the vernacular of Border Patrol, which had >75 year head start on ICE (BP established in 1924, ICE in 2002). Same dehumanizing culture in both now, esp now that armed gangs of chubby thugs are co-mingling across agencies, sharing an SUV as they illegally terrorize communities.

          The long-time violent culture of BP at the southern "border" is being inflicted on "the interior."

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          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

            ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

            Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

            ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

            🧵

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            ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

            Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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            @inthehands It brings new force to the idea of perverse incentives.

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            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

              ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

              Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

              ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

              🧵

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              ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

              Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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              @inthehands
              Siri, what is the definition of perverse incentives? ( #DomesticTerrorism )

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              • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                🧵

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                ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                @inthehands

                Perverse incentives create perverse outcomes.

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                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                  ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                  Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                  ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                  🧵

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                  ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                  Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                  @inthehands quotas are a wonderful thing for fascists

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                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                    ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                    Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                    ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                    🧵

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                    ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                    Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                    @inthehands the intended effect is simple, attract people who wil ok with commiting human rights violations, if the pay is well enough.

                    Its why ICE has a sign up fee.

                    Who would gladly and without hesitation bring their daughter tonthe slaughter.

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                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                      ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                      Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                      ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                      🧵

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                      ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                      Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                      @inthehands @mastodonmigration even if not true, if the agents believe it, then it'll still have the some effects

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                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                        ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                        Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                        ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                        🧵

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                        ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                        Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                        @inthehands ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they kidnap someone.❞. fixed it

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                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                          ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                          Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                          ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                          🧵

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                          ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                          Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                          @inthehands "Come Visit the US, we'll put a bounty on your head!" -US Board Of Tourism

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                          • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

                            @inthehands

                            Perverse incentives create perverse outcomes.

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                            @jackwilliambell @inthehands this is intentional, not some cartoon boss' mistake.

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                            • Emma Loves ☕️E Emma Loves ☕️

                              @jackwilliambell @inthehands this is intentional, not some cartoon boss' mistake.

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                              @emma @inthehands

                              Of course. Sometimes the outcomes are entirely intentional. And sometimes they are unexpected side-effects. And sometimes you even get both for the same incentive.

                              Here you had perverse incentives intentionally applied by perverse people. Worst of all worlds.

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                              • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                                Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                                ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                                🧵

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                                ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                                Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                                @inthehands So a bounty on literally anyone in the USA. That would never cause any problems would it? Wow…

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                                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                  You know the classic story of the foolish employer who paid software developers per bug fixed? If you haven’t, you can guess the outcome: program called off when one developer “fixed“ hundreds of bugs in a single day (that they’d intentionally introduced).

                                  This is just like that, except not like it at all: the “fake bugs” — ICE agents abducting random people to make a buck — are the •intended• effect.

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                                  @inthehands And feral boars in Texas. Once there was a market for hunters, some ranchers started breeding them.

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                                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                    ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                                    Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                                    ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                                    🧵

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                                    ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                                    Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                                    @inthehands

                                    The comparison to the Slave Patrols grows ever more apt.

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                                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                      ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                                      Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                                      ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                                      🧵

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                                      ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                                      Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                                      @inthehands

                                      780 men and boys, all of them Muslim, have been imprisoned over time at Guantánamo since January 2002.

                                      86 percent were sold to the United States during a time when the U.S. military was offering large bounties for capture; commonly, $5,000 was offered per man.

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                                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                        ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                                        Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                                        ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                                        🧵

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                                        ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                                        Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                                        @inthehands So they are bounty hunters. Fuckwads.

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                                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                          ❝ICE officers are paid a bonus every time they detain someone.❞

                                          Read that. Reread that. Internalize it. Map that back to every story you’ve heard of ICE agents going off the rails, every random kidnapping, every brutal and stupid ICE story.

                                          ❝“Individual ICE agents get money per head that they detain – the guards told me that.”❞

                                          🧵

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                                          ‘Don’t go to the US – not with Trump in charge’: the UK tourist with a valid visa detained by ICE for six weeks

                                          Karen Newton was in America on the trip of a lifetime when she was shackled, transported and held for weeks on end. With tourism to the US under increasing strain, she says, ‘If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone’

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                                          @inthehands
                                          "Incentive structures work. So you have to be very careful of what you incent people to do, because various incentive structures create all sorts of consequences that you can't anticipate." — Steve Jobs

                                          Except of course that in this case the consequences were obvious and easy to anticipate.

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