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Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

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  • HighlandLawyerH HighlandLawyer

    @ApostateEnglishman @jackwilliambell @cstross @tbortels
    There's also the option of external devices which communicate directly with the brain, no hole in the head required.

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    @HighlandLawyer @ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels

    Then the rules still apply. If it can change my brain state? I will have a difficult time trusting it. In truth? I sometimes distrust my own senses.

    Human perceptions are imperfect and brain-mediated. Ever look at anything and simply not see some detail on it until it's pointed out for you? Ever hallucinate? Not smell a stink because you got used to it?

    We get ALL information via lofi, low-trust channels. We cannot trust our lying eyes.

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    • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

      @HighlandLawyer @ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels

      Then the rules still apply. If it can change my brain state? I will have a difficult time trusting it. In truth? I sometimes distrust my own senses.

      Human perceptions are imperfect and brain-mediated. Ever look at anything and simply not see some detail on it until it's pointed out for you? Ever hallucinate? Not smell a stink because you got used to it?

      We get ALL information via lofi, low-trust channels. We cannot trust our lying eyes.

      Jack William BellJ This user is from outside of this forum
      Jack William BellJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      @HighlandLawyer @ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels

      This one fact deeply underscores the importance of the 'Scientific Method' in understanding the universe. Science isn't perfect either, but it has trust-protocols.

      Your senses don't.

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      • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

        @cstross @ApostateEnglishman

        My rules for brain implants:

        1. I will not alpha or beta test; in fact I think waiting for v3.25 is probably for the best

        2. Must run Open Source software *not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager*

        3. Must not require *any* kind of 'cloud' to operate, must work fine without a network connection, and must be locally configurable

        4. You know what? Even if it meets rules 1 to 3 I'm still not too hot on the idea…

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        @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman

        My one brain implant rule: all software must be in #Debian `stable`/`main`. This means:

        a) it, and all dependencies, are DFSG-compatible https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

        b) and have 3 years support by the Debian security team https://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan

        c) and maybe 5 years https://www.debian.org/lts/

        d) and passed the freeze process with no RC-bugs that would have kept them out of the release https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ftparchives#frozen

        …and also still not too hot on the idea 🙂

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        • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

          @cstross @ApostateEnglishman

          NOTE: Those rules used to be much simpler. More along the lines of, "Not anything using Microsoft or Oracle software."

          ETA: Insert joke about, "Blue Screen of Death."

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          @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman could be worse.

          Clippy.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

            No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

            But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

            Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

            So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

            You're a Buzz Kill, 👀 Patty.P This user is from outside of this forum
            You're a Buzz Kill, 👀 Patty.P This user is from outside of this forum
            You're a Buzz Kill, 👀 Patty.
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            @cstross Tesla is tanking. Starlink is becoming the DSL of the wireless internet (greedily oversubscribed bandwidth slowing it ... ....d o w n ...). Musk needs another source of suckers...er...investors... to fuel his rightwing apartheid ego.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

              No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

              But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

              Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

              So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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              @cstross

              Elon has always excelled at selling impossible future stuff to the rubes. When his businesses are evaluated based on performance like Tesla is now, it's disastrous. That's also why he is pivoting to robot cars.

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

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                @cstross
                Elon apparently loves breaking laws.

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                • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

                  @HighlandLawyer @ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels

                  Then the rules still apply. If it can change my brain state? I will have a difficult time trusting it. In truth? I sometimes distrust my own senses.

                  Human perceptions are imperfect and brain-mediated. Ever look at anything and simply not see some detail on it until it's pointed out for you? Ever hallucinate? Not smell a stink because you got used to it?

                  We get ALL information via lofi, low-trust channels. We cannot trust our lying eyes.

                  HighlandLawyerH This user is from outside of this forum
                  HighlandLawyerH This user is from outside of this forum
                  HighlandLawyer
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                  @ApostateEnglishman @cstross @tbortels @jackwilliambell
                  Decarte's demon

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                  • Jack William BellJ Jack William Bell

                    @cstross @ApostateEnglishman

                    My rules for brain implants:

                    1. I will not alpha or beta test; in fact I think waiting for v3.25 is probably for the best

                    2. Must run Open Source software *not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager*

                    3. Must not require *any* kind of 'cloud' to operate, must work fine without a network connection, and must be locally configurable

                    4. You know what? Even if it meets rules 1 to 3 I'm still not too hot on the idea…

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                    wrote last edited by
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                    Jack William Bell Charlie Stross The Sleight Doctor 🃏

                    not using any dependencies requiring a Package Manager

                    Nothing like using obsolete vendored libraries.

                    Somewhat joke aside, language-centric dependency/“package” managers are an antipattern that should never have been adopted.

                    Dependency/build managers (i.e. tools that know how to build a given language provided the dependencies are available on the system, obtaining them being out of scope of its duties) are fine (insofar as dead languages are, anyway).

                    And I’m NOT having one of those brain implants, no way!)

                    It’s proprietary malware, it’s a good idea to reject it.

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                    • TubemeisterT Tubemeister

                      @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman could be worse.

                      Clippy.

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                      @Tubemeister @jackwilliambell @cstross @ApostateEnglishman
                      One thing we've learned from AI is that Clippy was not the worst thing humans could invent.

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