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Valve bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ solitaire game [Flick Solitaire] pulled from russian Steam [cited a 2006 federal law prohibiting the "promotion of non-traditional sexualities"]

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  • W wampus@lemmy.ca

    So, human rights stuff aside, how/why the fuck do we need a genderised solitaire?

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    driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
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    #88

    Because the dev wanted to make it and other people wanted to play it.

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    • G greyeyedghost@lemmy.ca

      Yes, those things can be done, and they’re good ideas. One key difference between the U.S. and North Korea thing is that Russia can, or at least is believed to be able to, use a nuclear response anywhere in the world. North Korea couldn’t threaten the U.S. with nuclear reprisal. But, yes, removing the entrenched and uncompromising leader is the first step, and that is much harder against a nuclear power.

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      sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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      #89

      Considering the horrid state of economics and corruption in Russia, it is doubtful that their nuclear stockpile and submarines are fit for the job. Honestly, I think North Korea might have more reliable nukes, even if it is less than a handful. With Russia, it would be a fusion roulette.

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      • V Venia Silente

        I wonder if the same people who say Steam should pull out of Russia would agree that Steam should also pull out from the US. I mean, that’s what should happen given the basis of the arguments being used, right?

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        ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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        #90

        Which steam games have been removed by the US government?

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        • V Venia Silente

          I wonder if the same people who say Steam should pull out of Russia would agree that Steam should also pull out from the US. I mean, that’s what should happen given the basis of the arguments being used, right?

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          ObliviousEnlightenment
          wrote on last edited by izzyj@lemmy.world
          #91

          Yes. Maybe then people will blame the ones actually responsible. If it makes overthrowing a magat government more likely, it’s good on principle

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          • I imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            Because MS, Epic and Sony are scared shitless that valve will dominate gaming market after major hardware announcement and had begun digging dirt on them.

            Only in last 2 weeks there been like 3 “major” anti Valve news. I find them to be astroturfing. All these news are nothingburgers.

            My tinfoil shines on top of my head

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            Victor
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            #92

            You know what, I believe that. 👌 Wouldn’t at all be surprised.

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            • F flippinfreebird@lemmy.today

              Yeah, I don’t know why it’s news at all. It happens in every other country with any amount of censorship, US included.

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              ObliviousEnlightenment
              wrote on last edited by
              #93

              If America does this shit, they should pull out of here too

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              • P popcar2

                This is the most sane take I’ve seen. It’s honestly weird how ignorant this thread is, regional censorship is not new. Australia has a habit of banning violent games. The Middle East and China have a habit of censoring all sorts of things. Many countries have their own laws of what is and isn’t okay and they fluctuate all the time. My friend in Germany couldn’t play Wolfenstein because any games with Nazi imagery were illegal until relatively recently.

                Literally every company that operates in those countries also censor their stuff. The only reason this article exists is because [thing but Russia] gets more clicks and outrage compared to [thing in fifty other countries]. You’re free to hate Steam for it but this isn’t weird or exclusive behavior. They’re running a business.

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                ObliviousEnlightenment
                wrote on last edited by izzyj@lemmy.world
                #94

                It’s almost always wrong, and businesses should pull out of those places. I hope they pull out of my country if they pull similar shit. If you support bad values, you should be punished. And if losing their games makes people finally overthrow the magats, then that must be done

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                • V Victor

                  What’s the alternative? They have to obey the law, right? What should they have done? How is this “bowing to Kremlin” as if they’re kneeling, waiting to suck their dick or something.

                  Genuinely curious about these questions.

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                  ObliviousEnlightenment
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                  #95

                  Pull out.

                  Yes, I’d still say this if it was America

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                  • S sabinstargem@lemmy.today

                    Considering the horrid state of economics and corruption in Russia, it is doubtful that their nuclear stockpile and submarines are fit for the job. Honestly, I think North Korea might have more reliable nukes, even if it is less than a handful. With Russia, it would be a fusion roulette.

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                    greyeyedghost@lemmy.ca
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                    #96

                    I honestly agree, and said as much shortly after the invasion of Ukraine. Based on the world’s assessment, they should have just steamrolled them, and didn’t. I also said it would behoove the world powers to reassess their nuclear capability and got a lot of downvotes. The facts as they stand now, though, is the NK can’t get a nuke to American territory, not even Alaska (let’s not talk about Guam and Samoa, even America barely acknowledges they’re part of America). Russia, on the other hand, might be able to, and we don’t know for sure they can’t. All they need is one good sub with working missiles. None of this really matters for Europe, and even 10% of their stockpile working would be devastating for the world, or at least the people living on it. I’d like to think that Putin put more effort into maintaining their status as a nuclear world power, but I would have thought the same of being a military world power, too.

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                    • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                      ‘This isn’t “wokeness”, it’s basic human rights and equality and nothing more,’ he added. ‘If Steam can’t support free speech of LGBTQ+ people, then at the very least they should be transparent about this.’

                      What a bizarre response. Neither Roskomnadzor nor Valve claimed this had anything to do with “‘wokeness,’” and Steam was in fact transparent about this.

                      I don’t really get what anyone expects Valve to do here other than comply with the law. Still, I’m surprised they’re even able to operate in Russia given all the sanctions.

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                      ObliviousEnlightenment
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                      #97

                      Pull out. And the same every country, including the one we both live in if need be

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                      • O Caveman

                        That just fucks over gamers, not the Russian government.

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                        ObliviousEnlightenment
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                        #98

                        An angry enough people overthrows their government. Depriving the people will get them closer to that

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                        • S slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca

                          Okay, we’ll impose Canadian morals, ethics and laws across the world. /s

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                          ObliviousEnlightenment
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                          #99

                          Canada’s are mostly good so that would be fine

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                          • ObliviousEnlightenmentI ObliviousEnlightenment

                            Pull out.

                            Yes, I’d still say this if it was America

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                            Victor
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                            #100

                            What would that accomplish though?

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                            • G greyeyedghost@lemmy.ca

                              I honestly agree, and said as much shortly after the invasion of Ukraine. Based on the world’s assessment, they should have just steamrolled them, and didn’t. I also said it would behoove the world powers to reassess their nuclear capability and got a lot of downvotes. The facts as they stand now, though, is the NK can’t get a nuke to American territory, not even Alaska (let’s not talk about Guam and Samoa, even America barely acknowledges they’re part of America). Russia, on the other hand, might be able to, and we don’t know for sure they can’t. All they need is one good sub with working missiles. None of this really matters for Europe, and even 10% of their stockpile working would be devastating for the world, or at least the people living on it. I’d like to think that Putin put more effort into maintaining their status as a nuclear world power, but I would have thought the same of being a military world power, too.

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                              sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                              #101

                              There are things that are probably within reach of NK, such as Taiwan. TSMC manufactures the majority of the world’s advanced microchips, and a fair chunk of the older stuff as well. NK can afford the oblivion of Taiwan, but almost everyone else would feel the shock for decades if Taiwan suddenly became a crater. To a lesser extent, the same can be said of Japan.

                              Mind, the Trump Regime doesn’t understand the value of Taiwan, so Kim probably couldn’t use that as a direct hostage against the US. Trump tried to extort Taiwan, asking for money or else the protection of the US could be pulled. That is just… 🤦

                              The key point, is that NK does have influence, it is just a question of how angry other nations would get if that stick smacks someone.

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                              • H hayvan@feddit.nl

                                It’s called “complying with the law”.

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                                horse
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                                #102

                                Strange then that Google and Apple didn’t take it down. Valve made a choice and not a good one.

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                                • ObliviousEnlightenmentI ObliviousEnlightenment

                                  It’s almost always wrong, and businesses should pull out of those places. I hope they pull out of my country if they pull similar shit. If you support bad values, you should be punished. And if losing their games makes people finally overthrow the magats, then that must be done

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                                  idlesheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                  wrote on last edited by idlesheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                  #103

                                  This is an insane take. Every country does this to some extent, because there is no country with no laws. By your logic no company should ever do any business ever.

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                                  • V Venia Silente

                                    I wonder if the same people who say Steam should pull out of Russia would agree that Steam should also pull out from the US. I mean, that’s what should happen given the basis of the arguments being used, right?

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                                    ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                                    #104

                                    If the US opposes values Valve has then they should.

                                    I’m not going to pretend Valve cares about these causes though.

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                                    • J jazzkoalapaws@ttrpg.network

                                      The alternative is to stop doing business in places where laws are being used to restrict the games available.

                                      Incorrect. You are completely ignoring what those restrictions are.

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                                      senal@programming.dev
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                                      #105

                                      I detailed my thoughts and arguments, feel free to address those directly.

                                      if you want to ignore most of the reply to argue against a stance i wasn’t taking there’s not much of a conversation to be had here.

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                                      • A ayyy@sh.itjust.works

                                        Which steam games have been removed by the US government?

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                                        Venia Silente
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                                        There was the whole thing about payment processors raising a stink because of Steam, which is comparable and I have no evidence Dementia Don simps were not somehow involved, since this was started via some republican christofascist Karen association. But even if that does not suffice it for you, I’m not wondering about to the present situation, I’m wondering about the situation of when (not if) it happens in the future.

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                                          Valve Bows to Kremlin: LGBTQ+ Solitaire Game Pulled from Russian Steam

                                          Valve sparks outrage by removing the LGBTQ+ inclusive game Flick Solitaire from Steam in Russia, bowing to Kremlin censorship demands while Apple and Google refuse.

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                                          realspecialguy@lemmy.world
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                                          Well, I know im against the grain here, but I find this to be very positive news, for Russia. I not a supporter of sexual deviance. Im stating an opinion, not supporting any imagined “hate”. I want to only support love

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