I was going 7 over the limit as per my story, a great big 50km/h hour sign where 40 km/h was only enforced certain hours of the day, certain days of the week, certain months of the year, all of which I was expected to read within literal seconds, and didn’t slow down enough in time.

Any traffic enforcement officer would literally laugh in your face if you told them I shouldn’t have a license. Grow a brain. This will be my last post. Jesus Christ you are such a fucking moron.

I believe rural school zones are sometimes 50km/h. In context the non-school zone speed limit is usually 80km/h or more, often with visibility from one horizon to the other and a sprawling parking lot, it’s not quite the same as a congested urban school with a driveway big enough to fit a single bus and dozens of cars parked along the curb.

Even when I lived in rural areas, the zones were 30kph where I am from. Parks, and playgrounds, are also generally included.

Honest to god, it’s not that hard to do 40 km/h in these zones. They post a sign telling you there’s a speed camera coming up. You just have to go 40 for like 20 meters to avoid a ticket.

Why should we socialize the cost of “fixing” the road design, when we can instead make the individuals who speed pay?

I can’t even remember the last time I even saw a cop doing speed enforcement in Toronto. Definitely not on the highways. It makes total sense to automate this, and I highly doubt anybody lost their job over it.

and the money goes to cops.

Actually most of the money goes to the company that owns and operates the speed cameras. A smaller portion goes to the city.

People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.

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I get it, good road design helps stop speeding but the idea that safety even crosses the mind of people going 80 in a 60 is laughable.

The fines should be compounding, after each ticket the fine goes up 10% until people learn to just drive the fuckin limit.

but they punish the poor the most

They punish people who speed the most. If you make the needle on your dash point to the number that is posted on the road signs, you don’t get a ticket.

It may actually be a net positive in job creation between the installation, maintaince, and bureaucratic stuff.

Fun thing about design changes, the motorists get less frustrated.

A big part of our frustration whole driving is that (at least in Ontario) design speed MUST be at least 20kph higher than posted speed.

So yeah, you get frustrated doing 30kph on a road designed for 60kph. You get less frustrated on a road with no posted limits anywhere that jsut naturally nakes you want to drive a speed that feels safe, and happens to be 30kph.

There are more design choices than just roundabouts…

There are more design choices than just roundabouts…

Do I have to list every single one for you to get the point?

I’m sure the city loves these cameras. Did you speed? Doesn’t matter, the camera says you did so pay up. Also these will ticket you for going even half a kilometer over, you can get a ticket for going 71 in a 70 where a human cop would just let that shit go

Both is good, because the way our streets are designed are both dangerous and expensive. Narrowing that 40 zone by the school can remove excess road space that now doesn’t need to be maintained, cleaned, plowed, or salted. The excess space could be used by school, have trees planted, or be used for alternative transport like transit or bikes.

The roads are currently designed to prioritize driver throughput and provide “wiggle room” for driver error, often at the expense of people outside of the vehicle. Many of the concepts that engineers use to make highways safe were applied to city streets, which in hindsight maybe we don’t want our city streets to be designed like highways.

I’ve gotten a ticket for going 1 over on a downhill. If you think that’s reasonable, you’re likely one of the idiots who created these things.

Citation needed. They don’t set them at 1 over because it’s hard to prove they are that accurate, your speedo also only has to be +/-3% in Ontario.

The problem is that people are AWFUL at evaluating their own risk when driving, and drive at speeds that ARENT safe. Look at how few people leave appropruate stopping distances between vehicles, which is the #1 factor in preventing accidents.

The methods you proposed would likely decrease the speed vehicles travel at (ie from 80 to 60) because drivers feel like they can’t travel at that speed, but the road likely still isn’t safe for vehicles to travel at 60 when its that narrow.

Speed cameras catch everyone speeding, 24/7, and are the single best, economical, way to eliminate speeding from a road. Cop can’t pull over every vehicle going 80 on a 4 lane road rated for 60, but the camera can ticket them all.

For sure, promote a narrower road, encourage MUP over sidewalks, and encourage safer driving when you talk to your councilors, but road reconstruction happens, generally, once every 25-50yrs. We can’t wait for that timeframe to fix these problems.

Bigger problem is people are bad judges of risk while driving. People’s perception of how fast they can safely travel doesnt line up with their actual abilities.

Roads are built with a design speed 20kph higher than the posted limit because that’s the margin left for safety. That covers things like balding tires, like a distracted driver not paying attention, or bad weather.

There can be some changes (ie the number of municipalities that insist on a 4m wide lane is RIDICULOUS for residential roads), but the vast majority of the factors that make it “safe” to drive that speed are there for a reason.

There will always be new people that speed. And people not knowing the place that speed.

… Where a human cop would light you up, slowing down all the traffic around you to safer levels, and give you immediate feedback.

But no you’ll just get the same ticket for 10 over 5 days in a row before you notice the camera, and then get 5 tickets in the mail a month later.