You know that you can drive a car you don’t own right?

You know it costs money to gas, maintain, insure, and/or rent a car right?

And not every person who is ticketed is driving like an asshole. I got a 100 dollar ticket for driving 57 in what was normally a 50 km zone, but there was brand new signage up that I had literally 4 seconds to read (I went back and timed it) that gave: months of the year, days of the week, and hours of the day that the new 40 km/h speed limit was enforced. But because I can’t read at the speed of light while driving down the road, bam, ticket.

Fact of the matter is you were speeding before they adjusted the sign, it is your responsibility as a driver to obey all posted signage, and if you cannot abide by the rules of the road as well as be capable of reading and responding to signage I do not believe you should be allowed to drive because you are a risk to everyone around you.

You deserved that ticket, and I wish they had suspended your license until you were retested.

LOL, a suspended licence for going 7 kms over the regular speed limit. Yeah, you’re a rational person alright, and I should take any argument you have seriously. Ok.

And you know that you don’t have to gas, maintain, insure or rent a car that you borrow from a friend of family member, right?

Going 7 over the regular limit does not make me a danger to society you absolute lunatic, and it is the responsibility of the government to make sure that signage is CLEAR and READABLE to people on the road.

Have a nice day.

You were going 17 over the posted limit, as per your story, and weren’t aware enough to know about it.

You shouldn’t have a license.

Take care.

The school zones in my area are 30kph, and a lot of people find that excessive and want it slower, so 50 is wild to me.

I believe rural school zones are sometimes 50km/h. In context the non-school zone speed limit is usually 80km/h or more, often with visibility from one horizon to the other and a sprawling parking lot, it’s not quite the same as a congested urban school with a driveway big enough to fit a single bus and dozens of cars parked along the curb.

How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.

Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.

There are many forms of traffic management that don’t require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety

We literally do not have enough law enforcement to properly enforce traffic laws. It is part of why average speeds have crept up to 10-20 over the limit. In fact enforcing traffic laws was kinda just something that was thrown at the police when cars were invented and we’ve never really stopped to think about it since.

I don’t really care that much either way for speed cameras. They work in a very limited fashion, but they punish the poor the most, and the money goes to cops.

At the end of the day speed cameras are a solution to a problem that doesn’t need to exist. We are failing to use technology available to us for basically no reason - we already know how to slow people and calm traffic without any kind of economic/punitive incentive.

How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.

Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.

There are many forms of traffic management that don’t require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety

I don’t really care that much either way for speed cameras. They work in a very limited fashion, but they punish the poor the most, and the money goes to cops.

At the end of the day speed cameras are a solution to a problem that doesn’t need to exist. We are failing to use technology available to us for basically no reason - we already know how to slow people and calm traffic without any kind of economic/punitive incentive.

I can’t even remember the last time I even saw a cop doing speed enforcement in Toronto. Definitely not on the highways. It makes total sense to automate this, and I highly doubt anybody lost their job over it.

This is the way, but good luck getting that implemented. NIMBYs and “frustrated motorists” will push back, and it only takes a few to ruin good ideas.

Have you ever seen an idiot driver in a roundabout?

There are more design choices than just roundabouts…

Honest to god, it’s not that hard to do 40 km/h in these zones. They post a sign telling you there’s a speed camera coming up. You just have to go 40 for like 20 meters to avoid a ticket.

Why should we socialize the cost of “fixing” the road design, when we can instead make the individuals who speed pay?

but they punish the poor the most

They punish people who speed the most. If you make the needle on your dash point to the number that is posted on the road signs, you don’t get a ticket.

I’ve gotten a ticket for going 1 over on a downhill. If you think that’s reasonable, you’re likely one of the idiots who created these things.

Both is good, because the way our streets are designed are both dangerous and expensive. Narrowing that 40 zone by the school can remove excess road space that now doesn’t need to be maintained, cleaned, plowed, or salted. The excess space could be used by school, have trees planted, or be used for alternative transport like transit or bikes.

The roads are currently designed to prioritize driver throughput and provide “wiggle room” for driver error, often at the expense of people outside of the vehicle. Many of the concepts that engineers use to make highways safe were applied to city streets, which in hindsight maybe we don’t want our city streets to be designed like highways.

Fun thing about design changes, the motorists get less frustrated.

A big part of our frustration whole driving is that (at least in Ontario) design speed MUST be at least 20kph higher than posted speed.

So yeah, you get frustrated doing 30kph on a road designed for 60kph. You get less frustrated on a road with no posted limits anywhere that jsut naturally nakes you want to drive a speed that feels safe, and happens to be 30kph.