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‘It’s too late’: David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost - iPolitics

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  • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

    The best we can do for the planet is toss a few billionaires into a volcano as a sacrifice to earth

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    breadoven@lemmy.world
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    #113

    I’m down.

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    • J jason2357@lemmy.ca

      This simply isn’t correct. While the billionaires yacht fleet and jet setting make them have insane carbon footprints individually, it is their business practices that actually register in terms of contributing significant chunks of the carbon budget for humanity. Bezo’s jets and yachts pale in comparison to Amazons delivery fleet and manufacturing all that junk. It’s counterproductive to focus on their personal emissions, when it’s the interaction of their businesses, government, and consumers that are burning the earth. We have 2 levers on that problem.

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      breadoven@lemmy.world
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      #114

      You’re right. I was thinking more about the individuals responsible capture and refining of fossil fuels.

      But the pretty ubiquitous use of Amazon delivery does greatly contribute a lot. Didn’t really think about it in that aspect. Thanks for pointing that out.

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      • E electric_nan@lemmy.ml

        All that’s left is to make the rich suffer.

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        asg101@lemmy.ca
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        #115

        “The Earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses.”

        ~Utah Phillips

        Inb4 some pedant quibbles that “the planet itself is not dying.” Yeah, but we and our fellow creatures are. It should be understood that is what Mr. Phillips meant.

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        • I Cast FistI I Cast Fist

          Thanks to big corporations effectively owning governments and big politicians the world over, things aren’t bound to get better anytime soon, because “the economy”. Fuck that shit

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          tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world
          wrote on last edited by tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world
          #116

          And thank the Saudis too. Guess where the previous conference on phasing out fossil fuel, but agreed to slow down the process, was held.

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          • N needmorelimes@lemmy.ca

            I think he’s right, but he’s also a real asshole and lives in a mansion in Vancouver and likely creates more environmental damage than the average human

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            fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            #117

            Most everyone who’s even slightly well off in north America creates significantly more environmental damage than the average human

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            • A asg101@lemmy.ca

              How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

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              snowclone@lemmy.world
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              #118

              1950’s oil execs funded studies that show how they will kill the planet if they don’t stop, transition to something else, hell they had enough fore warning they could have R&D’d solar and monopolize the tech, but NO! They needed to make faster money faster and stopping yourself from killing the human race isn’t THAT important, and they knew they’d be dead by now.

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              • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                I’m sick of this WE, im not a billionaire pumping more Co2 per day with my yacht fleet than a town of people do in their life. I’m sick of being blamed for this shit, when all my conservation is undone in a minute by a corporation. I refuse to take equal blame any longer

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                korhaka@sopuli.xyz
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                #119

                A lot of people in western countries are living unsustainable lifestyles. Yes we need to target the billionaires too, but that alone won’t solve it. Also stop buying their shit. Actually, just stop buying shit in the first place as that is a large part of the problem.

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                • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                  Again though, I do all these things and it doesn’t matter cause my entire life’s output of CO2 is being put out by one guy in an hour. I’m turning off lights and corporate buildings are running all the lights and AC 24/7

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                  korhaka@sopuli.xyz
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #120

                  If the majority of people did, it actually would make a massive difference. This whole “but billionaires” and “but corporations” is just being used as an excuse to do absolutely nothing by far too many people.

                  All of those people doing nothing are why we are in this mess.

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                  • S snowclone@lemmy.world

                    1950’s oil execs funded studies that show how they will kill the planet if they don’t stop, transition to something else, hell they had enough fore warning they could have R&D’d solar and monopolize the tech, but NO! They needed to make faster money faster and stopping yourself from killing the human race isn’t THAT important, and they knew they’d be dead by now.

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                    asg101@lemmy.ca
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                    #121

                    They might have been able to monopolize SOME of the tech, but they knew they could never own access to the sun. But yeah, they knew that they were incinerating us for decades. Which makes it premeditated murder in my books.

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                    • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                      How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

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                      vivalapivo@lemmy.today
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #122

                      Just hope that the next intelligent species will speedrun capitalism

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                      • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                        How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

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                        hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #123

                        Can’t kill earth can only just piss her off, hopefully I’ll be useful enough to the overlords of Cascadia Dome #6 to get a really nice condo overlooking a nice park.

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                        • K korhaka@sopuli.xyz

                          Has been for ages. It’s now question of how bad, and we are still making it worse.

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                          lemonaz
                          wrote on last edited by gabbath@lemmy.world
                          #124

                          And we’re gonna increasingly train more AI, mine more crypto, open more coal mines, industrially kill more animals, fight more wars.

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                          • J jargonwagon@lemmy.world

                            The best way to reduce all the excess manufacturing for livestock is by not buying it their products. If it’s all about ROI for them, give them a reason to reduce their manufacturing with your purchasing power.

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                            commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                            #125

                            The best way to reduce all the excess manufacturing for livestock is by not buying it their products.

                            has that ever worked?

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                            • V vivalapivo@lemmy.today

                              Just hope that the next intelligent species will speedrun capitalism

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                              BurgerBaron
                              wrote on last edited by burgerbaron@piefed.social
                              #126

                              With the Sun it’s hard to really believe there’s enough time left in the habitable zone Earth era left.

                              *for that to happen again.

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                              • BurgerBaronB BurgerBaron

                                With the Sun it’s hard to really believe there’s enough time left in the habitable zone Earth era left.

                                *for that to happen again.

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                                vivalapivo@lemmy.today
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                                #127

                                Nah, for it’s left how much? 4-5 billion years, mass extinctions happen like every 100 million years and after each one there’s nonzero probability of intelligent life occurring.

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                                • J jaykrown@lemmy.world

                                  I suggest actually doing something about it then. Direct your frustration towards something productive. Take the risk because if we don’t then no one will.

                                  Here’s why your comment is horseshit:

                                  The cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) technology dropped by 81% since 2009, and wind and battery costs have also plummeted. By 2017, most new power-generating capacity added worldwide came from renewables, not fossil fuels.

                                  A comprehensive review of 1,500 climate policy measures across 41 countries found 63 cases of successful policies, each leading to an average emission reduction of 19%. The most effective policies combined tax and price incentives with regulations and subsidies.

                                  Although global greenhouse gas emissions reached record highs in the 2010s, the rate of growth has slowed, in part due to climate policies and the adoption of cleaner technologies.

                                  The Montreal Protocol (1987) successfully phased out ozone-depleting substances, demonstrating that coordinated global action can work. This agreement also had climate benefits, as many of the banned substances were potent greenhouse gases.

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                                  Phoenixz
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                                  And here is why your comment is horseshit:

                                  Yeah, the ozone issue was handled marvelously but the much bigger CO2 issue has been treated like… Well, just plain not. The Paris climate accords were a joke and still just about all countries wiped their ass with it.

                                  Solar being so super cheap now is awesome! Just that, you know, the US is working hard to kill anything that is not coal and oil, and most countries have been increasing CO2 emissions, not decreasing them. We multiple times passed points of “holy shit this is a no return” and do you remember everyone aiming for an insane 1.5 degree increase? Pepperidge farm remembers… We just keep pushing the acceptable temperature increase up because economy baby!

                                  So yeah, politicians world wide don’t give a shit, we went multiple times over the line and still no one with power gives a shit. This “then you do something” is also a bullshit argument because here I am, literally right now separating paper and plastic but i know the plastic goes straight into some dump anyway because again, politicians don’t give a shit, and rich assholes keep flying big jets for fun…

                                  It’s exhausting, and yeah, we’re fucked as a species

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                                  • P Phoenixz

                                    And here is why your comment is horseshit:

                                    Yeah, the ozone issue was handled marvelously but the much bigger CO2 issue has been treated like… Well, just plain not. The Paris climate accords were a joke and still just about all countries wiped their ass with it.

                                    Solar being so super cheap now is awesome! Just that, you know, the US is working hard to kill anything that is not coal and oil, and most countries have been increasing CO2 emissions, not decreasing them. We multiple times passed points of “holy shit this is a no return” and do you remember everyone aiming for an insane 1.5 degree increase? Pepperidge farm remembers… We just keep pushing the acceptable temperature increase up because economy baby!

                                    So yeah, politicians world wide don’t give a shit, we went multiple times over the line and still no one with power gives a shit. This “then you do something” is also a bullshit argument because here I am, literally right now separating paper and plastic but i know the plastic goes straight into some dump anyway because again, politicians don’t give a shit, and rich assholes keep flying big jets for fun…

                                    It’s exhausting, and yeah, we’re fucked as a species

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                                    jaykrown@lemmy.world
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                                    #129

                                    This is as far as I read “And here is why your comment is horseshit:”

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                                    • J jaykrown@lemmy.world

                                      This is as far as I read “And here is why your comment is horseshit:”

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                                      Phoenixz
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                                      That is seriously funny as I picked exactly THAT line from your response

                                      Apparently you find yourself so insulting that even you yourself wouldn’t dignify your own responses with a read…

                                      Bravo.

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