Gentle reminder that EVERYONE shot by ICE or the police is innocent.
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Gentle reminder that EVERYONE shot by ICE or the police is innocent. Every single one. Cops aren't Judge Dredd. A person is innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT, so until a person is found guilty by a judge or jury, they're innocent. They're ALL innocent.
@theleftistlawyer what about convicts and suspects on the run? Are they innocent?
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@clintruin @connynasch @theleftistlawyer That doesn't address my comment. Did you vote last election? Are you acting to improve things? Or are you just giving up and trying to make others despair?
@ariaflame @connynasch @theleftistlawyer
I am Canadian. I voted in my last election. YOUR president (are you American? If yes, then yes he is YOUR president) Wants to make my country your 51st state. I am not interested in playing pretend. Hope is not a plan. Please understand I pray I'm wrong. I really do. But naivete is dangerous. I'm sorry you find the truth depressing. So do I. If this explanation is not enough, your block button is right there. I suggest using it. -
@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer lol wow you’re accusing me of being one of them because of what you said, there’s a difference? That’s pretty low, go ahead do what maga does, say the law is clear for one side only.
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@joe I think we agree on that, but I don't understand why you put the "no" there. It doesn't contradict anything I said, does it?
@iwein you’re trying to say I’m pro ICE now. This is pointless.
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@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer lol wow you’re accusing me of being one of them because of what you said, there’s a difference? That’s pretty low, go ahead do what maga does, say the law is clear for one side only.
@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer I didn’t say defamation or anything, you’re really out of line here. I was just saying the presumption of innocence applies to all or it doesn’t apply at all. We disagreed so you said I’m defending ICE, you invoked Rittenhouse? I didn’t defend anyone or pass judgements in any way. This is disgraceful.
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Gentle reminder that EVERYONE shot by ICE or the police is innocent. Every single one. Cops aren't Judge Dredd. A person is innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT, so until a person is found guilty by a judge or jury, they're innocent. They're ALL innocent.
True, and often forgotten. But a victim needn't be innocent to have the right to be free from being targeted and murdered on American streets by masked gunmen, who have the president and his cabinet behind them.
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@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer I didn’t say defamation or anything, you’re really out of line here. I was just saying the presumption of innocence applies to all or it doesn’t apply at all. We disagreed so you said I’m defending ICE, you invoked Rittenhouse? I didn’t defend anyone or pass judgements in any way. This is disgraceful.
@joe @iwein @theleftistlawyer This is why I didn't reply. Thanks for trying though.
When JD starts calling liberals slanderers for this we can both get a giggle out of it--then we can cry because we know why we're fucked.
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@theleftistlawyer
Yes. This is what the law says.Of course, the law also says no one is above the law.
That all ended on July 1st 2024 when the Supreme Court of the United States granted one man total immunity from prosecution. A man who could then, in turn, pardon anyone he feels like.
The American Constitution cannot exist side by side with one man who stands above it all...
...Like A King.
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@clintruin @theleftistlawyer
That's two different problems.Not being held to the law, and being able to pardon anyone.
And it's with the position, it applies to whoever happens to the president.
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@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer I didn’t say defamation or anything, you’re really out of line here. I was just saying the presumption of innocence applies to all or it doesn’t apply at all. We disagreed so you said I’m defending ICE, you invoked Rittenhouse? I didn’t defend anyone or pass judgements in any way. This is disgraceful.
@joe I'm not going to analyze this to death, but it seems to me we agree and you assume I'm accusing you of something incorrectly. Sorry if this was unclear, but this isn't about you at all.
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@joe @iwein @theleftistlawyer This is why I didn't reply. Thanks for trying though.
When JD starts calling liberals slanderers for this we can both get a giggle out of it--then we can cry because we know why we're fucked.
@crazyeddie @iwein @theleftistlawyer it’s just political hackery. They are saying it’s okay to take rights from some, if we don’t like them. And if you don’t want to be their kind of fascist then you’re somehow a monster.
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@iwein you’re trying to say I’m pro ICE now. This is pointless.
@joe no I'm not, and yes, this is pointless. Why don't you just stop?
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@joe I'm not going to analyze this to death, but it seems to me we agree and you assume I'm accusing you of something incorrectly. Sorry if this was unclear, but this isn't about you at all.
@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer why would you invoke Rittenhouse? You’re accusing me of defending ICE.
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@iwein @crazyeddie @theleftistlawyer why would you invoke Rittenhouse? You’re accusing me of defending ICE.
@joe @iwein @theleftistlawyer The Mother Bones post basically says the same thing that I do except for noting that this, very pedantic, hanging on a threshold of legality definition of "innocent" is the very basis of it.
The guy invading your home to kill you is "innocent".
I really don't know why this person replied the way they did. I get the same sense you do from it. They say no. That's fine. I've been misunderstood also.
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@theleftistlawyer
Yes. This is what the law says.Of course, the law also says no one is above the law.
That all ended on July 1st 2024 when the Supreme Court of the United States granted one man total immunity from prosecution. A man who could then, in turn, pardon anyone he feels like.
The American Constitution cannot exist side by side with one man who stands above it all...
...Like A King.️ ️What's his education? Did he ever go to school or what? Look at his face. It's the devil's.
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@clintruin @theleftistlawyer
That's two different problems.Not being held to the law, and being able to pardon anyone.
And it's with the position, it applies to whoever happens to the president.
@lonelystone @theleftistlawyer
"And it's with the position, it applies to whoever happens to the president."True.
"Not being held to the law, and being able to pardon anyone."
Sure. But obviously you can see how the two things are connected...right?
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@joe @iwein @theleftistlawyer The Mother Bones post basically says the same thing that I do except for noting that this, very pedantic, hanging on a threshold of legality definition of "innocent" is the very basis of it.
The guy invading your home to kill you is "innocent".
I really don't know why this person replied the way they did. I get the same sense you do from it. They say no. That's fine. I've been misunderstood also.
@crazyeddie
From the structure of your toot it's unclear to me if I or @joe is "this person". Doesn't matter.I didn't invoke Ritten whatever, I'm not attacking any of you, and we all agree in a somewhat clumsy way
Sorry guys I'm not going to pick a fight over this with anyone but Nazi's and if you think I'm weird, take a number.
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@lonelystone @theleftistlawyer
"And it's with the position, it applies to whoever happens to the president."True.
"Not being held to the law, and being able to pardon anyone."
Sure. But obviously you can see how the two things are connected...right?
@clintruin @theleftistlawyer
They are both a problem.Holding a position that gives you both is double the problem.
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@ariaflame @connynasch @theleftistlawyer
I am Canadian. I voted in my last election. YOUR president (are you American? If yes, then yes he is YOUR president) Wants to make my country your 51st state. I am not interested in playing pretend. Hope is not a plan. Please understand I pray I'm wrong. I really do. But naivete is dangerous. I'm sorry you find the truth depressing. So do I. If this explanation is not enough, your block button is right there. I suggest using it.@clintruin @connynasch @theleftistlawyer Nope, I'm Australian. We have a sane voting system. So I *know* it can be done better. But I also know it won't be good for Canada if the people in the USA *don't* vote him out. So it is in your interests that the people who oppose Trump vote for people that don't support him as much as possible.
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@clintruin @connynasch @theleftistlawyer Nope, I'm Australian. We have a sane voting system. So I *know* it can be done better. But I also know it won't be good for Canada if the people in the USA *don't* vote him out. So it is in your interests that the people who oppose Trump vote for people that don't support him as much as possible.
@ariaflame @connynasch @theleftistlawyer
I am not good at pretend.
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@ariaflame @connynasch @theleftistlawyer
I am not good at pretend.
https://jorts.horse/@AnarchoNinaWrites/115866058904012613@clintruin @connynasch @theleftistlawyer I'm not saying it's easy. But nothing worth fighting for is. I'm just saying that if you can't encourage people to vote for sane politicians, then at least don't discourage them from voting at all.
