Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development
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Information good. Hiding information bad. Nefarious intentions.
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I don’t like that an artist can pick up a game engine and patch together their art with 50,000 if statements and that’s OK, but if a programmer touches AI it’s somehow replacing the artist.
Like if you take Banjo Tooie Glittering Gulch, Medieval Crystal Caverns, etc and create an environment with that vibe, you’re being creative. But if you use AI to generate scenes and then create an environment, that’s sacrilege?
Steam has a mountain of shovelware, a canyon of slop, and it’s got nothing to do with AI. But put up the Mission Accomplished banner anyways.
I’d just lie about using AI the EXACT same way I’d lie about using samples. Who is going to notice? People see a guy slap reverb on a track and call it a remix and scoff at the entire concept. You chop it up, stitch things together, transform the material, and people will dismiss it if you mention you used other people’s music.
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Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
I think it would be helpful to know how AI is used.
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Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?
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I’m glad that Tim Sweeny and its Epig Games Store is not the market leader.
lol I just found my 7 year old post on Reddit (when Reddit was cool) of a Epig Games logo creation: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/bvw5ru/epig_games/
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PC gamers (sample size: at least 1) say they struggle to think of anything valuable that Tim Sweeney has ever said.
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I don’t like that an artist can pick up a game engine and patch together their art with 50,000 if statements and that’s OK, but if a programmer touches AI it’s somehow replacing the artist.
Like if you take Banjo Tooie Glittering Gulch, Medieval Crystal Caverns, etc and create an environment with that vibe, you’re being creative. But if you use AI to generate scenes and then create an environment, that’s sacrilege?
Steam has a mountain of shovelware, a canyon of slop, and it’s got nothing to do with AI. But put up the Mission Accomplished banner anyways.
I’d just lie about using AI the EXACT same way I’d lie about using samples. Who is going to notice? People see a guy slap reverb on a track and call it a remix and scoff at the entire concept. You chop it up, stitch things together, transform the material, and people will dismiss it if you mention you used other people’s music.
I think there’s more to it as well as every tool or technology has had an impact on human labor. A lot of the complaints against AI I have found are complaints about capitalism.
But on topic of the post I think noting when AI is used is good just like I’d like to know when it’s a picture of a painting or an actual painting being sold.
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It being ubiquitous does not mean it makes no sense. They can still say how and to what extent gen AI was used.
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“Crypto/NFT disclosures make no sense, because all games will become “Play to Earn” and have NFT objects where you can transfer your Mario hat to COD 2028.”
I am being glib, Sweeney probably has a point, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take a critical look at his intentions.
What are his intentions?
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Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
It already is becoming a positive marketing point!
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Tim continues to not ‘read the room’
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It is useful to know what games i want to avoid and boycott.
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What are his intentions?
Wannabe American oligarch.
The things he allegedly argues against (Apple/Google app store restrictions) is what he would implement (word for word copy/paste arguments) if he was in their position.
Typical corrupt scum.
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PC gamers (sample size: at least 1) say they struggle to think of anything valuable that Tim Sweeney has ever said.
Up that sample size to 2 baybee
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We’re seeing the rise of push back against AI gen stuff… https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-developers-gen-ai-nexon-arc-raiders
Doubling down on the glazing of the ai bubble is pretty on brand for him. In before “tim sues steam for spurious claims against ai” or some other bullshit.
Sidenote: IsThereAnyDeal.com has the steam ai declarations as part of the quick reference section on game pages now. https://mastodon.social/@isthereanydeal/115606686918493913
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Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
I only play organic games.
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Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.
At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.
AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.
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Then some clueless person complains that Steam dominates the market. When Epic is constantly shooting their foot.
People like to make informed decisions and those labels help. In proper countries even beer have content labels to say if there is rice or corn with the barley.
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Tim continues to not ‘read the room’
On the wrong side of nearly everything. Disappointing, he was a gaming pioneer. Now just a petty greedy corpo.
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Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?
He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.
