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Musk wants to merge SpaceX with xAI, then take it public

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  • David GerardD David Gerard

    Or maybe Tesla

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMKyocHwUJI&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
    https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260202-musk-wants-to-merge-spacex-with-xai-then-go-public - podcast

    time: 5 min 18 sec

    UPDATE: the merge has gone through, apparently for “$250 billion” of imaginary value of private company equity

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    apfelwoischoppen@lemmy.world
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    Merge both into the fucking ground.

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    • David GerardD David Gerard

      Or maybe Tesla

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMKyocHwUJI&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
      https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260202-musk-wants-to-merge-spacex-with-xai-then-go-public - podcast

      time: 5 min 18 sec

      UPDATE: the merge has gone through, apparently for “$250 billion” of imaginary value of private company equity

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      scruiser@awful.systems
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      Has anyone done the math on if Elon can keep these plates spinning until he dies of old age or if it will implode sooner than that? I wouldn’t think he can keep this up another decade, but I wouldn’t have predicted Tesla limping along as long as it has even as Elon squeezes more money out of it, so idk. It would be really satisfying to watch Elon’s empire implode, but probably he holds onto millions even if he loses billions because consequences aren’t for the ultra rich in America.

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      • S scruiser@awful.systems

        Has anyone done the math on if Elon can keep these plates spinning until he dies of old age or if it will implode sooner than that? I wouldn’t think he can keep this up another decade, but I wouldn’t have predicted Tesla limping along as long as it has even as Elon squeezes more money out of it, so idk. It would be really satisfying to watch Elon’s empire implode, but probably he holds onto millions even if he loses billions because consequences aren’t for the ultra rich in America.

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        Plum
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        Trump did.

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        • S scruiser@awful.systems

          Has anyone done the math on if Elon can keep these plates spinning until he dies of old age or if it will implode sooner than that? I wouldn’t think he can keep this up another decade, but I wouldn’t have predicted Tesla limping along as long as it has even as Elon squeezes more money out of it, so idk. It would be really satisfying to watch Elon’s empire implode, but probably he holds onto millions even if he loses billions because consequences aren’t for the ultra rich in America.

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          corbin@awful.systems
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          I wonder whether his holdings could be nationalized as a matter of national security.

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          • David GerardD David Gerard

            Or maybe Tesla

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMKyocHwUJI&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
            https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260202-musk-wants-to-merge-spacex-with-xai-then-go-public - podcast

            time: 5 min 18 sec

            UPDATE: the merge has gone through, apparently for “$250 billion” of imaginary value of private company equity

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            ramenshaman@lemmy.world
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            SpaceX is actually really fucking successful, why would be destroy it by tainting it with shitty AI? Oh right, because he’s a moron who does way too much ketamine.

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            • S seaguy05@lemmy.world

              SpaceX can’t go bankrupt… You won’t let us go bankrupt… It would be a shame if all those satellites lost their ability to be maintained. This is how he becomes too big to fail.

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              transcendentalempire@lemmy.today
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              shame if all those satellites lost their ability to be maintained

              I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? They’d just burn up in the atmosphere. More than likely the government would just take possession of the system if they had a critical dependency on them.

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                erac@lemmings.world
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                It also owns Twitter because Musk spent $33 billion in AI investment cash to buy Twitter from himself to pay off his debt.

                Now he is using space investment money to pay off the AI investors.

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                • T transcendentalempire@lemmy.today

                  shame if all those satellites lost their ability to be maintained

                  I mean, what’s the worst that could happen? They’d just burn up in the atmosphere. More than likely the government would just take possession of the system if they had a critical dependency on them.

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                  self@awful.systems
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                  Kessler syndrome, and historically starlink’s satellites don’t always burn up in the atmosphere as they should

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                  • self@awful.systemsS self@awful.systems

                    Kessler syndrome, and historically starlink’s satellites don’t always burn up in the atmosphere as they should

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                    GreyEyedGhost
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                    For the millionth time, if every satellite in the starlink constellation were to fail today, they would be gone in about five years at the high end. They are low enough in the atmosphere that they have to fire station-keeping rockets to maintain orbit. If they collide, the small pieces deorbit even faster due to drag.

                    From this article:

                    At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell.

                    “In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says.

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                    • G GreyEyedGhost

                      For the millionth time, if every satellite in the starlink constellation were to fail today, they would be gone in about five years at the high end. They are low enough in the atmosphere that they have to fire station-keeping rockets to maintain orbit. If they collide, the small pieces deorbit even faster due to drag.

                      From this article:

                      At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell.

                      “In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says.

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                      self@awful.systems
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                      uh huh. spacex fans are fucking wild

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                      • G GreyEyedGhost

                        For the millionth time, if every satellite in the starlink constellation were to fail today, they would be gone in about five years at the high end. They are low enough in the atmosphere that they have to fire station-keeping rockets to maintain orbit. If they collide, the small pieces deorbit even faster due to drag.

                        From this article:

                        At around 400 kilometers and into the 500-km realm — home to ISS and the SpaceX Starlink satellites among others — atmospheric drag plays a major role. Dead satellites and debris usually slow and burn up in the atmosphere in just a few years. This natural cleansing process accelerates when the sun becomes more active and solar coronal mass ejections strike Earth and cause the atmosphere to swell.

                        “In those altitudes, we can probably do a lot and we will be forgiven,” Linares says.

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                        burble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        Agreed in general, but debris from collisions can head upwards as well.

                        For example, Kosmos-1408 orbited at about 475km and left debris from 300-1100km. This is an older debris chart, but it shows that event in red.

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                        • self@awful.systemsS self@awful.systems

                          uh huh. spacex fans are fucking wild

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                          self@awful.systems
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                          anyone else who wants to tell me “for the millionth time” about how it’s super safe to fill low-earth orbit with unprecedented amounts of literal garbage in pursuit of creating a shit-tier ISP that’s sucked hard every time I’ve used it is welcome to take it up with the professor of astronomy that wrote that last article

                          “it’s not Kessler syndrome unless it’s from the Kessler region of space, otherwise it’s just sparkling Rods from God” fuck you

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                          • R ramenshaman@lemmy.world

                            SpaceX is actually really fucking successful, why would be destroy it by tainting it with shitty AI? Oh right, because he’s a moron who does way too much ketamine.

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                            floppybiscuits@lemmy.world
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                            I’m assuming you mean operationally but not financially? They wouldn’t have to raise capital so much if it were financially so…

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                            • F floppybiscuits@lemmy.world

                              I’m assuming you mean operationally but not financially? They wouldn’t have to raise capital so much if it were financially so…

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                              ramenshaman@lemmy.world
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                              I’m using the success rate of the Falcon 9 rocket and how many launches they do as my metrics. If they’re not doing well financially then they’re making some questionable financial decisions.

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                              • R ramenshaman@lemmy.world

                                I’m using the success rate of the Falcon 9 rocket and how many launches they do as my metrics. If they’re not doing well financially then they’re making some questionable financial decisions.

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                                self@awful.systems
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                                no space bois thx

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                                • R ramenshaman@lemmy.world

                                  I’m using the success rate of the Falcon 9 rocket and how many launches they do as my metrics. If they’re not doing well financially then they’re making some questionable financial decisions.

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                                  froztbyte@awful.systems
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                                  Spacex, walking the path of something solved literally 4 decades ago: blows up many rockets

                                  Yeah, super successful. As a grift of course, because that’s what it is

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                                  • o7___o7@awful.systemsO o7___o7@awful.systems

                                    When Woke 2 comes, we’ll nationalize SpaceX.

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                                    froztbyte@awful.systems
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                                    We can turn it into a horror-themed exhibit park. And sell vip tickets for using some of the more particular roams as rage rooms, just smash all that nonsense up

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                                    • S seaguy05@lemmy.world

                                      SpaceX can’t go bankrupt… You won’t let us go bankrupt… It would be a shame if all those satellites lost their ability to be maintained. This is how he becomes too big to fail.

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                                      Charlie Stross
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                                      @Seaguy05 @techtakes Bear in mind SpaceX's near monopoly is transient: Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin is now flying and re-using New Glenn and ramping up launch cadence aggressively. Give it 5 years and unless Starship works 100% to plan, SpaceX will be eroding like Tesla today. (And this ignores the multiple Chinese reusable launcher startups with government backing.)

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