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The whole "AI = bad" crowd isn’t exactly known for nuance.

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  • Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
    Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
    Chris Trottier
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    The whole “AI = bad” crowd isn’t exactly known for nuance. But let me wade in anyway:

    AI has saved me hours on tasks that once took forever. What used to cost me hundreds of dollars in transcription fees—and take days to get back—I can now do in minutes for pocket change.

    It generates alt-text for images, which is a huge win for accessibility. It trims dead air and filler words out of audio, so I don’t sound like I’m stumbling through every thought.

    Want to soften a tone? AI can do that. Want to sharpen it instead? It can do that too—and it’s shockingly good at detecting whether someone’s being sarcastic or sincere.

    Yes, people point out that AI requires massive data centers and a lot of energy. That’s true. But you can also run AI locally on your own hardware—and it’s surprisingly affordable.

    So no, I’m not about to throw AI under the bus just because some people use it badly. Tools aren’t the problem. People are.

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    • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

      The whole “AI = bad” crowd isn’t exactly known for nuance. But let me wade in anyway:

      AI has saved me hours on tasks that once took forever. What used to cost me hundreds of dollars in transcription fees—and take days to get back—I can now do in minutes for pocket change.

      It generates alt-text for images, which is a huge win for accessibility. It trims dead air and filler words out of audio, so I don’t sound like I’m stumbling through every thought.

      Want to soften a tone? AI can do that. Want to sharpen it instead? It can do that too—and it’s shockingly good at detecting whether someone’s being sarcastic or sincere.

      Yes, people point out that AI requires massive data centers and a lot of energy. That’s true. But you can also run AI locally on your own hardware—and it’s surprisingly affordable.

      So no, I’m not about to throw AI under the bus just because some people use it badly. Tools aren’t the problem. People are.

      ChasalinC This user is from outside of this forum
      ChasalinC This user is from outside of this forum
      Chasalin
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      @atomicpoet the problem is that people use trucks for racing and sports cars for hauling lumber.

      AI can do a lot, including stupid things.
      And stupid people will only use it for stupid things.
      So yes, people are the main problem.

      But like 'guns don't kill people; people do' : don't give guns to stupid people.

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      • ChasalinC Chasalin

        @atomicpoet the problem is that people use trucks for racing and sports cars for hauling lumber.

        AI can do a lot, including stupid things.
        And stupid people will only use it for stupid things.
        So yes, people are the main problem.

        But like 'guns don't kill people; people do' : don't give guns to stupid people.

        Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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        Chasalin Great point, and I agree with the sentiment. Thing is, too many people blame the tool, not the people using it.

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        • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

          The whole “AI = bad” crowd isn’t exactly known for nuance. But let me wade in anyway:

          AI has saved me hours on tasks that once took forever. What used to cost me hundreds of dollars in transcription fees—and take days to get back—I can now do in minutes for pocket change.

          It generates alt-text for images, which is a huge win for accessibility. It trims dead air and filler words out of audio, so I don’t sound like I’m stumbling through every thought.

          Want to soften a tone? AI can do that. Want to sharpen it instead? It can do that too—and it’s shockingly good at detecting whether someone’s being sarcastic or sincere.

          Yes, people point out that AI requires massive data centers and a lot of energy. That’s true. But you can also run AI locally on your own hardware—and it’s surprisingly affordable.

          So no, I’m not about to throw AI under the bus just because some people use it badly. Tools aren’t the problem. People are.

          ikeacurtainsI This user is from outside of this forum
          ikeacurtainsI This user is from outside of this forum
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          @atomicpoet even those locally run models took massive amounts of power and copyright/IP rights violations to produce, but the toothpaste is out of the tube, so... 🤷🏻‍♂️

          I'm more concerned with bad applications of AI, and bad ideas seem to abound these days.

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          • ikeacurtainsI ikeacurtains

            @atomicpoet even those locally run models took massive amounts of power and copyright/IP rights violations to produce, but the toothpaste is out of the tube, so... 🤷🏻‍♂️

            I'm more concerned with bad applications of AI, and bad ideas seem to abound these days.

            Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
            Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
            Chris Trottier
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            ikeacurtains Okay, but why be more concerned with bad applications when good applications are just as abundant? For example, shouldn’t we be ecstatic that AI can greatly increase accessibility?

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            • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

              The whole “AI = bad” crowd isn’t exactly known for nuance. But let me wade in anyway:

              AI has saved me hours on tasks that once took forever. What used to cost me hundreds of dollars in transcription fees—and take days to get back—I can now do in minutes for pocket change.

              It generates alt-text for images, which is a huge win for accessibility. It trims dead air and filler words out of audio, so I don’t sound like I’m stumbling through every thought.

              Want to soften a tone? AI can do that. Want to sharpen it instead? It can do that too—and it’s shockingly good at detecting whether someone’s being sarcastic or sincere.

              Yes, people point out that AI requires massive data centers and a lot of energy. That’s true. But you can also run AI locally on your own hardware—and it’s surprisingly affordable.

              So no, I’m not about to throw AI under the bus just because some people use it badly. Tools aren’t the problem. People are.

              VivienG This user is from outside of this forum
              VivienG This user is from outside of this forum
              Vivien
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              @atomicpoet (if you run your AI locally on your own hardware it requires more energy than if you run it in a data center though)

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              • VivienG Vivien

                @atomicpoet (if you run your AI locally on your own hardware it requires more energy than if you run it in a data center though)

                Chris TrottierA This user is from outside of this forum
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                Chris Trottier
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                Vivien At home, you can turn off the hardware when it’s not in use whereas a data centre is always on.

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                • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

                  Vivien At home, you can turn off the hardware when it’s not in use whereas a data centre is always on.

                  VivienG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Vivien
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                  @atomicpoet It’s also always in use.

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                  • VivienG Vivien

                    @atomicpoet It’s also always in use.

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                    Vivien Nonsense. Usage patterns vary widely. Most people aren’t running continuous AI workloads. Training massive models or serving thousands of inferences per second is the exception, not the rule.

                    For intermittent use—like occasional inference or lightweight models—running locally can actually be more efficient because you avoid the baseline power draw of data centres, which remain active even at low utilization.

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                    • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

                      Vivien Nonsense. Usage patterns vary widely. Most people aren’t running continuous AI workloads. Training massive models or serving thousands of inferences per second is the exception, not the rule.

                      For intermittent use—like occasional inference or lightweight models—running locally can actually be more efficient because you avoid the baseline power draw of data centres, which remain active even at low utilization.

                      VivienG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Vivien
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                      @atomicpoet I’m skeptical there exists data centres with low utilization.

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                      • VivienG Vivien

                        @atomicpoet I’m skeptical there exists data centres with low utilization.

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                        Vivien I thought your point is that running AI locally consumes more energy than data centres.

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                        • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

                          Vivien I thought your point is that running AI locally consumes more energy than data centres.

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                          Vivien
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                          @atomicpoet That is correct. It does so by having newer generation hardware, more fit to the task than consumer hardware.

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                          • VivienG Vivien

                            @atomicpoet That is correct. It does so by having newer generation hardware, more fit to the task than consumer hardware.

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                            Vivien Sure, but again, usage patterns vary. I can always unplug when the hardware is not needed.

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                            • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

                              Vivien Sure, but again, usage patterns vary. I can always unplug when the hardware is not needed.

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                              Vivien
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                              @atomicpoet I’m not sure there is an idle data centre anywhere. That would be a huge loss of money.

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                              • VivienG Vivien

                                @atomicpoet I’m not sure there is an idle data centre anywhere. That would be a huge loss of money.

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                                Vivien How is a machine in your house a “data centre”?

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                                • Chris TrottierA Chris Trottier

                                  Vivien How is a machine in your house a “data centre”?

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                                  Vivien
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                                  @atomicpoet It is not. It is different because while your machine in your house may be underutilized, a data centre is never (what I mean by idle), so there is no wasted power.

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                                  • VivienG Vivien

                                    @atomicpoet It is not. It is different because while your machine in your house may be underutilized, a data centre is never (what I mean by idle), so there is no wasted power.

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                                    Chris Trottier
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                                    Vivien We’re clearly talking past each other at this point. Have a good day.

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