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Workers are being priced out of Toronto. Can we reverse course?

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  • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

    cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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    StinkyFingerItchyBum
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    It’s a stupid assumption of capitalism that anything unprofitable isn’t worth doing. Where the market fails to provide, government can step in. Government used to build social housing. There is an intense demand for futureproof housing, like resilient passivehouse styled housing, that private won’t do because it’s not profitable and government won’t do because they forgot they could do anything if they really wanted. A world dominated by energy concerns and climate change necessitates this.

    We will dither until there is blood in the streets.

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    • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

      cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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      softestsapphic@lemmy.world
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      #13

      Yes but it requires wealth redistribution

      The opposite of the wealth consolidation that we have been allowing is redistribution of that consolidated wealth.

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      • N n3m37h@sh.itjust.works

        We have to get rid of Doug Ford first

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        ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
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        Don’t worry, the liberal party promised to pass electoral reform. Doug Ford voters should be free to vote for alternative political parties without a spoiler effect.

        The liberal party kept their most important election promise right?

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        • A alexlost@lemmy.world

          No. The people in the game have a vested Interest to keep home values high, and those not in the game don’t have any skin in the game to offer a valued opinion to those already in it. It could be fixed, but it won’t be because too many people are banking on the ever increasing value. Not to mention all those just getting in would be submarined by a loss of valuation. Their mortgage would probably immediately default as the value does not match the risk.

          I don’t own, I think the whole thing is rotten. Just a realist. It’s never going to get better unless the government intervenes on everyone’s behalf, and more than half the voting block would be pissed if they even hinted at doing something. That doesn’t offer job security, and it’s sad that’s that is how decisions get made in this day and age. Good of the people, or good of the party, you can’t have both…

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          ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
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          The party must die then. This is class war, no time for negotiations.

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          • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

            Have you seen China lately? It’s getting pretty dang attractive.

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            cyborganism
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            I know there’s a lot of great things that China is able to do under their regime. Like building mass transit incredibly fast. But this comes at a great price though in terms of rights and freedoms.

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              The party must die then. This is class war, no time for negotiations.

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              alexlost@lemmy.world
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              Yeah, that’s the idea. No entrenched government of any side will touch this, we need to force their hands. Many in government are the same folks holding onto multiple properties for investment purposes. We need to make it unprofitable to do so, in any way WE can, because the courts will never back us, and neither will the government.

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              • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml

                Don’t worry, the liberal party promised to pass electoral reform. Doug Ford voters should be free to vote for alternative political parties without a spoiler effect.

                The liberal party kept their most important election promise right?

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                n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
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                And thats a reason to the most inept and corrupt premeir in onterrible history? I dont care if another conservative gets in power, no party represents me currently

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                • T StinkyFingerItchyBum

                  It’s a stupid assumption of capitalism that anything unprofitable isn’t worth doing. Where the market fails to provide, government can step in. Government used to build social housing. There is an intense demand for futureproof housing, like resilient passivehouse styled housing, that private won’t do because it’s not profitable and government won’t do because they forgot they could do anything if they really wanted. A world dominated by energy concerns and climate change necessitates this.

                  We will dither until there is blood in the streets.

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                  dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                  There already is.

                  Liberal nations will dither until the blood flows like a river and it costs a billionaire some money.

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                  • C cyborganism

                    I know there’s a lot of great things that China is able to do under their regime. Like building mass transit incredibly fast. But this comes at a great price though in terms of rights and freedoms.

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                    dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                    The freedoms the West is throwing in the trash without even getting healthcare and mass transit for it.

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                    • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                      The freedoms the West is throwing in the trash without even getting healthcare and mass transit for it.

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                      cyborganism
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                      Yeah but whose fault is that? People chose this. China doesn’t have a choice.

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                      • T StinkyFingerItchyBum

                        It’s a stupid assumption of capitalism that anything unprofitable isn’t worth doing. Where the market fails to provide, government can step in. Government used to build social housing. There is an intense demand for futureproof housing, like resilient passivehouse styled housing, that private won’t do because it’s not profitable and government won’t do because they forgot they could do anything if they really wanted. A world dominated by energy concerns and climate change necessitates this.

                        We will dither until there is blood in the streets.

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                        deathsembrace@lemmy.world
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                        A revolution would solve most of these problems not gonna lie.

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                        • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                          cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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                          dermanus@lemmy.ca
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                          Can we? Yes. Will we? If the way cities have been turning down federal money for relaxing regulations is a sign, then no we won’t.

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                          • D dermanus@lemmy.ca

                            Can we? Yes. Will we? If the way cities have been turning down federal money for relaxing regulations is a sign, then no we won’t.

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                            sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                            Is it more than just Toronto? I hadn’t heard of other cities turning the cash down or reneging on the deal.

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                            • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                              Is it more than just Toronto? I hadn’t heard of other cities turning the cash down or reneging on the deal.

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                              dermanus@lemmy.ca
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                              Tecumseth has, and Ottawa hasn’t yet but they’re making all the right noises, including calling deregulation “really far left” (as a bad thing)

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                              • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                                cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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                                psvrh@lemmy.ca
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                                Are we going to either ensure people get paid enough to afford houses, or build homes that people can afford to live in?

                                No?

                                Then no, it won’t get fixed. Right now, the market is making too much money off of exacerbating the problem, and the idea of government providing solutions went out of fashion in 1992.

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                                • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                                  cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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                                  canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                  That sounds self-limiting, actually.

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                                  • C cyborganism

                                    I know there’s a lot of great things that China is able to do under their regime. Like building mass transit incredibly fast. But this comes at a great price though in terms of rights and freedoms.

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                                    eatcasserole@lemmy.world
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                                    So our masters keep saying.

                                    But actual Chinese people don’t seem too worried.

                                    The Chinese government gets approval ratings (according to Western pollsters) that western governments can only dream of, and it’s not that mysterious when you consider, the standard of living for most if not all regular people there has been skyrocketing.

                                    Remember that China is the greatest threat to American hegemony and all the powerful people aligned with it. Do you really expect corporate-owned media to give you accurate, unbiased information on such an adversary?

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                                    • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

                                      So our masters keep saying.

                                      But actual Chinese people don’t seem too worried.

                                      The Chinese government gets approval ratings (according to Western pollsters) that western governments can only dream of, and it’s not that mysterious when you consider, the standard of living for most if not all regular people there has been skyrocketing.

                                      Remember that China is the greatest threat to American hegemony and all the powerful people aligned with it. Do you really expect corporate-owned media to give you accurate, unbiased information on such an adversary?

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                                      quadhammer@lemmy.world
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                                      They’re not communist tho they’re a capitalistic dynasty

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                                      • D darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works

                                        Yes.

                                        Will we?

                                        No.

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                                        quadhammer@lemmy.world
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                                        I’d prefer encouragement over apathy

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                                        • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

                                          So our masters keep saying.

                                          But actual Chinese people don’t seem too worried.

                                          The Chinese government gets approval ratings (according to Western pollsters) that western governments can only dream of, and it’s not that mysterious when you consider, the standard of living for most if not all regular people there has been skyrocketing.

                                          Remember that China is the greatest threat to American hegemony and all the powerful people aligned with it. Do you really expect corporate-owned media to give you accurate, unbiased information on such an adversary?

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                                          cyborganism
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                                          I don’t expect China nor the Chinese people to tell the truth either. You wouldn’t want your social score to drop or end up in jail or forced labor.

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