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Handheld PC makers are slowly losing touch with Valve's successful Steam Deck template of affordability, and that's very concerning

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    absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works
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    If you think that giving a kid a 900€ phone when there’s a much cheaper alternative that does the same is/should be the norm, you are part of a problem called consumerism.

    What’s a valid reason to buy an expensive phone to a kid when a much cheaper alternative can do the same?

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    • A absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works

      If you think that giving a kid a 900€ phone when there’s a much cheaper alternative that does the same is/should be the norm, you are part of a problem called consumerism.

      What’s a valid reason to buy an expensive phone to a kid when a much cheaper alternative can do the same?

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      troed
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      I think part of the issue here is that you believe that phones that cost 900 EUR really don’t offer anything cheaper alternatives don’t.

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      • troedT troed

        I think part of the issue here is that you believe that phones that cost 900 EUR really don’t offer anything cheaper alternatives don’t.

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        absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works
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        So answer me: what’s a feature that a kid needs and you won’t find in a cheaper phone?

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        • A absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works

          So answer me: what’s a feature that a kid needs and you won’t find in a cheaper phone?

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          troed
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          #24

          Easy. Security (I work in cybersec) and performance (kids like to game).

          Do you consider kids to be actual people?

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          • K kyrgizion@lemmy.world

            Sell 15K units at 900 a pop, or sell 150K units at 500 a pop…

            We don’t know the margins on these things but I’d think that higher volume sales would be better. But what do I know.

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            I suspect they don’t have the means to produce higher volumes, or aren’t willing to take that risk

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            • troedT troed

              Easy. Security (I work in cybersec) and performance (kids like to game).

              Do you consider kids to be actual people?

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              Sounds like you’re spoiling them. I also don’t see what kind of security you can only get in new-ish high end phone that didn’t exist in high end phones of, say, 2018-2021

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                absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works
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                First of all: it’s not the price to make a phone safer. I’d argue that grapheneOS is safer than any android commercial rom. And it’s available for cheap phones.

                Also: what game does need a flagship phone to run that should be played by a kid? COD? PUBG? I’m not sure a kid should be playing those. But hey, I guess pegi ratings are a lie…

                And, again, even if they wanted to play those games, you don’t need a flagship phone for them. Cheaper phones will do.

                The fact that you think I don’t consider kids actual people because I don’t think they (or most people in general) need the last flagship phone shows how disconnected from reality you are.

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                • A absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works

                  First of all: it’s not the price to make a phone safer. I’d argue that grapheneOS is safer than any android commercial rom. And it’s available for cheap phones.

                  Also: what game does need a flagship phone to run that should be played by a kid? COD? PUBG? I’m not sure a kid should be playing those. But hey, I guess pegi ratings are a lie…

                  And, again, even if they wanted to play those games, you don’t need a flagship phone for them. Cheaper phones will do.

                  The fact that you think I don’t consider kids actual people because I don’t think they (or most people in general) need the last flagship phone shows how disconnected from reality you are.

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                  I’m not sure a kid should be playing those. But hey, I guess pegi ratings are a lie…

                  Yeah. The US is the nanniest country on Earth and those ratings are indeed laughable.

                  Regarding your cybersec knowledge, the safest for regular consumers are iPhones.

                  You might want to ponder whether you know as much about the world as you think you do.

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                    I’m not sure a kid should be playing those. But hey, I guess pegi ratings are a lie…

                    Yeah. The US is the nanniest country on Earth and those ratings are indeed laughable.

                    Regarding your cybersec knowledge, the safest for regular consumers are iPhones.

                    You might want to ponder whether you know as much about the world as you think you do.

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                    absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works
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                    Ok, let’s say those ratings are not good. And let’s say that you can only trust iPhone as “paradigm of safety” (lol).

                    Tell me, does your kid need the latest phone to play their games? Are you telling me that an iPhone 14 or even 13 won’t do?

                    What’s a feature that only the latest iphone has and doesn’t have an older model?

                    Exactly, what are your kids doing that need of the highest tier phone to guarantee the highest level of security? Are they potential targets to israel spyware?

                    PS: stop it with the patronizing tone acting as if you knew best.

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                    • A absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works

                      Ok, let’s say those ratings are not good. And let’s say that you can only trust iPhone as “paradigm of safety” (lol).

                      Tell me, does your kid need the latest phone to play their games? Are you telling me that an iPhone 14 or even 13 won’t do?

                      What’s a feature that only the latest iphone has and doesn’t have an older model?

                      Exactly, what are your kids doing that need of the highest tier phone to guarantee the highest level of security? Are they potential targets to israel spyware?

                      PS: stop it with the patronizing tone acting as if you knew best.

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                      let’s say that you can only trust iPhone as “paradigm of safety” (lol)

                      Feel free to research the consensus opinion by cybersecurity professionals instead of just continously showing off your own ignorance.

                      what are your kids doing that need of the highest tier phone to guarantee the highest level of security

                      They, as human beings, have the right to their privacy.

                      You just answered my previous question; “Do you consider kids to be actual people?”; and the answer is apparently “no”.

                      Btw, you don’t get the newest high end iPhone for 900 EUR. You might want to get a lot more facts behind your arguments before trying to show off online.

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                      • C cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de

                        Why would that be concerning? Let the market find the right price point.

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                        Yeah, like the House market /s

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                        • zecg@lemmy.worldZ zecg@lemmy.world

                          Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.

                          They can find some margin in using a rolling Arch distro instead of paying for Windows, Gabe helpfully provided the template that you can reuse.

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                          Voytrekk
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                          I doubt Windows is the reason these are more expensive. Microsoft wants Windows in the handheld PC space, so they are likely to provide licenses for free and likely help subsidize the costs a bit, especially if they include trials for gamepass.

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                          • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

                            Yeah, like the House market /s

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                            cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de
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                            I wouldn’t compare a Steam Deck with living accommodations, but ok.

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                            • localhorst86@feddit.orgL localhorst86@feddit.org

                              This is nothing new. Before the steam deck came out, Handheld PCs have already been overpriced expensive. Other manufacturers haven’t bothered about affordability before, during ot after the steam deck.

                              That said, Gabe Newell said the steam deck was priced “painfully”, which means they probably had very low margins on the hardware and are making it back on sales on their store. Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.

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                              I wouldnt call devices like the GPDwin overpriced considering it’s probably lower volume production and niche use case.
                              But they are overpriced in direct performance comparison.

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                              • zecg@lemmy.worldZ zecg@lemmy.world

                                Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.

                                They can find some margin in using a rolling Arch distro instead of paying for Windows, Gabe helpfully provided the template that you can reuse.

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                                I am not aware that you are able to use SteamOS on anything that isnt an AMD CPU and GPU (only APU?).

                                If it’s not yet generally available for any hardware combination it would be very tempting to switch.
                                Already used the desktop of the deck quite a bit to customize some behaviour (automatic start of syncthing after (game-mode) boot to sync save states to my PC, EmuDeck, emulators in general)

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                                • A absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works

                                  If only there was something to be done to slash the price while not losing anything important like using an OS that is FREE… But alas, there’s no such thing, I guess we’ll have to stick with windows, adding the license price to a hardware that is already expensive…

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                                  Who supports that?
                                  At least Windows is only one plattform in comparison to the bazillion linux-distros.

                                  Same issue devs face with consoles vs PCs.

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                                  • F fartmaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    I mean, I don’t know valve’s margins but strategically they could sell steam decks at a loss and still come out ahead.

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                                    I believe some youtubers mentioned (maybe Tyler McVicker or some other in the space) that they are razor sharp margins and border on being profitable just like a console manufacturer.

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                                    • C cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de

                                      I wouldn’t compare a Steam Deck with living accommodations, but ok.

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                                      I don’t. I’m just telling another example of the ‘free’ market.

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                                      • localhorst86@feddit.orgL localhorst86@feddit.org

                                        This is nothing new. Before the steam deck came out, Handheld PCs have already been overpriced expensive. Other manufacturers haven’t bothered about affordability before, during ot after the steam deck.

                                        That said, Gabe Newell said the steam deck was priced “painfully”, which means they probably had very low margins on the hardware and are making it back on sales on their store. Other manufacturers do not have that luxury.

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                                        frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                        Steam Deck hits a sweet spot. You can make it more powerful, but it’ll cost significantly more. You can make it cheaper, but you’ll cut out too many games people want to play.

                                        Also, anything like this with a resolution higher than 720p is wasting pixels and GPU power, IMO.

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                                        • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                          Who supports that?
                                          At least Windows is only one plattform in comparison to the bazillion linux-distros.

                                          Same issue devs face with consoles vs PCs.

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                                          absolutelynotavelociraptor@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Tell me you know don’t jack about linux without telling me you don’t know jack about linux in 25 words or less.

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