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  • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬D 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬

    8 GB of VRAM and 16 GB of RAM … those are the specs of my almost 15 years old legacy machine. I doubt that the Steam Machine outperforms anything made in the last 5-10 years.

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    yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Must be nice to have such awesome 15yo machine, as my 6yo still have only 4gb vram (1650s).

    If You had enough coins to buy top top tier 2010 rig with 8gb vram back then, You surely had much to upgrade it in 2015, 2020, and also did nice 5090 upgrade this year too! Who cares single 5090rtx do cost 4-6x than whole Gabecube is expected to cost.

    Having industry market is awesome, You can find something ultra powered for Yourself, and I can do find some budget for myself too.

    Ngl, I’m slightly jealous You’re in the top 30%, even top of the top of it these 30%, that article is NOT about.

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    • F fatvegan@leminal.space

      In my humble opinion, 4k is a bit of a joke. I pick a high as possible frame rate over 4k any day of the week.

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      moody@lemmings.world
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      #32

      With AAA game graphics, 4K is kind of silly.

      It kind of makes sense on consoles with fixed hardware when the devs design specifically to hit that target.

      On a PC, I think high framerate 1440p is a much more reasonable goal, but frame generation and upscaling are sold to consumers like some magical solution to poor performance instead.

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      • C 1ostA5tro6yne

        itt gamers act like anything that doesn’t do ray tracing is literally a commodore 64.

        yall got some spoiled child ass ideas about hardware longevity, im over here on a 3gb 960 running most things just fine on lowered settings.

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        prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Some modern games look like absolute dirty brown water trash when you lower the settings a ton

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        • F fatvegan@leminal.space

          In my humble opinion, 4k is a bit of a joke. I pick a high as possible frame rate over 4k any day of the week.

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          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          #34

          Yeah I tried playing Dispatch on my TV in 4k, and it sounded and felt like my laptop was going to catch on fire.

          Lowered the TVs resolution to 1080p, and the game looks exactly the same and the fans barely even turn on.

          That could be an optimization issue though I guess.

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          • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

            I’m sure it does, considering even my old busted laptop has hit the Steam hardware survey before, but it’s not one of my primary gaming PCs.

            Another way of saying this is Steam Machine is slower than about 44 million gaming PCs (30% x 147 MAU, a very conservative number since that’s monthly and number of users instead of number of computers).

            The fact that its GPU is slower than the 5 year old PS5’s, and it only has 8GB VRAM, makes me question Steam Machine’s longevity. And it apparently can’t do FSR4 cause it’s RDNA3.

            It needs to be cheap.

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            mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Source on RDNA3 on Linux not doing FSR4? Linux drivers are far ahead of Windows drivers.

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            • yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zoneY yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              What games? the overpriced crap pushed by big companies, that massively fails on using UE5, that do look worse than 10yo games with worse performance? Sure popular, but I’d be happy when they fails.

              Fuck ea, ubi, actiblizz and all their copy-paste year to year shit!

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              SuiXi3D
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              Indies, too. Not just big publishers/developers using UE5.

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              • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                I’m sure it does, considering even my old busted laptop has hit the Steam hardware survey before, but it’s not one of my primary gaming PCs.

                Another way of saying this is Steam Machine is slower than about 44 million gaming PCs (30% x 147 MAU, a very conservative number since that’s monthly and number of users instead of number of computers).

                The fact that its GPU is slower than the 5 year old PS5’s, and it only has 8GB VRAM, makes me question Steam Machine’s longevity. And it apparently can’t do FSR4 cause it’s RDNA3.

                It needs to be cheap.

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                mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Steam survey is monthly too and most people don’t have two computers

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                  Valve Claims Steam Machine Outperforms 70% of Current Gaming PCs

                  When Valve introduced its Steam Machine cube gaming console/PC, the gaming community began questioning the hardware choices and Valve's performance claims. However, a Valve engineer stated that the Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of gaming PCs on the market, based on Steam Survey data. It fe...

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                  Looks like many do forgot, this is mid-cheap intended machine, not top tier tech race.

                  Still some depends on price, but I’m hyped for 500€ upgrade of whole 6yo rig, all in one, well build (not like most supermarket prebuild crap). I see flaws in Cube, may need to spend some 100€ extra for missing things (sdd to usb adapters, audio extractor from hdmi to 3.5jacks, extra sdcard for less intense data), still hyped.

                  Like this is cheap family car talks, Koenigsegg is 2 links to the left.

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                    mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    #39

                    The majority of gamers game at 1080p. Both on PCs, and especially on consoles. Most people’s TVs aren’t even big enough for people with average eyesight to see a difference between 1080p and 2160p.

                    So the question to ask is if the steam deck is too slow, because the steam machine at 1080p will solidly beat the steam deck at 800p.

                    If you want something faster for desktop, just build a matx mid tower with a 9070xt. It’ll cost double, but you’ll be able to game in 2160p.

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                    • M mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      Source on RDNA3 on Linux not doing FSR4? Linux drivers are far ahead of Windows drivers.

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                      die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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                      AMD FSR Upscaling - AMD GPUOpen

                      AMD FSR™ Upscaling is our cutting-edge ML-based upscaler. It delivers significant image quality improvements with reduced ghosting, better particle preservation, and superior detail.

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                      uses the hardware-accelerated feature of the AMD RDNA™ 4 architecture

                      AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 upscaling requires an AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series GPU or better and can only be used on appropriate hardware.

                      Requirements

                      [FSR 4 Upscaling] AMD Radeon™ RX 9000 Series and above

                      It’s possible they add compatibility at a later time (with reduced performance and/or quality due to lack of hardware acceleration), but they haven’t announced anything like that currently

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                      • C 1ostA5tro6yne

                        itt gamers act like anything that doesn’t do ray tracing is literally a commodore 64.

                        yall got some spoiled child ass ideas about hardware longevity, im over here on a 3gb 960 running most things just fine on lowered settings.

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                        yardratiansoma@lemmy.ca
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                        not to mention the joy of emulation, which older hardware does very well these days

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                        • C 1ostA5tro6yne

                          itt gamers act like anything that doesn’t do ray tracing is literally a commodore 64.

                          yall got some spoiled child ass ideas about hardware longevity, im over here on a 3gb 960 running most things just fine on lowered settings.

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                          falsewhite@lemmy.ml
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                          True. But it doesn’t change the fact that it is still quite crap for a brand new gaming pc/console

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                            skisnow@lemmy.ca
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                            “Outperforms 70% of Gaming PCs” is the sort of statistic you’d only quote if you thought it sounded more impressive than it actually was, and it already doesn’t sound impressive.

                            (edit: genuinely surprised how controversial a statement that turned out to be?)

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                            • C 1ostA5tro6yne

                              itt gamers act like anything that doesn’t do ray tracing is literally a commodore 64.

                              yall got some spoiled child ass ideas about hardware longevity, im over here on a 3gb 960 running most things just fine on lowered settings.

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                              DWANG05
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                              I’m still chugging along with a 1070 Ti. Then again, I don’t play many top-of-the-line AAA titles these days. For example, I know Doom Eternal and Dark Ages won’t run on this card unless I mess around with tweaking ini files or something, but I wouldn’t bother.

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                                I rarely play the latest games, so that machine would be a good upgrade for me. Especially with the ability to load a different OS that I could use for both productivity and gaming.

                                Bump it to a bigger SSD and 64GB of RAM and I’ll be happy with it.

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                                  pyria
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                                  So the engineer state that it can run ‘all games of the market’. Okay, cool, but at what kind of settings?

                                  Like, it undermines the expectations of what one has when it comes to approaching the idea of having a PC to run games they want to see run flawlessly. I have been there before where I was not satisfied running games at Medium, hell, I wasn’t satisfied when I ran some games at even High. My targeted goal of building a machine, is if it can run at least 90% of games that I throw at it, with optimum performance. Suffice to say, I think I’ve achieved that.

                                  If someone gets a Steam Machine and find that it cannot run that particular game someone buys the Steam Machine for at their preference, you’re going to see refunds flying around.

                                  The Steam Machine development should’ve never went in with the concept of “just run games”, they should’ve went in with the concept of “run games and run them well”.

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                                    I’m sure it does, considering even my old busted laptop has hit the Steam hardware survey before, but it’s not one of my primary gaming PCs.

                                    Another way of saying this is Steam Machine is slower than about 44 million gaming PCs (30% x 147 MAU, a very conservative number since that’s monthly and number of users instead of number of computers).

                                    The fact that its GPU is slower than the 5 year old PS5’s, and it only has 8GB VRAM, makes me question Steam Machine’s longevity. And it apparently can’t do FSR4 cause it’s RDNA3.

                                    It needs to be cheap.

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                                    pyria
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                                    It has to be $400 or $500. If they, Valve, really think they’re sitting on a $800 or even a $1,000 machine then they’re lying to themselves.

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                                      lobut@lemmy.ca
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                                      I think the goal was 4K at 60 fps, but likely varying level of “detail” like you can probably do it with lower detailed settings rather than ultra or epic or what-have-you.

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                                        Please do tell which games force ray tracing?

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                                        • F fatvegan@leminal.space

                                          In my humble opinion, 4k is a bit of a joke. I pick a high as possible frame rate over 4k any day of the week.

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                                          pyria
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                                          4K is just another dumb marketing jargon to make people think something is better than what we currently have.

                                          I always bring up the argument of transitioning from VHS to DVD, there were vast improvements there in terms of quality. DVD is still around, why? Because it just does good enough and that’s what all anyone can ask for. Blu-Ray is incredibly old now and eventually will take DVD’s spot someday as the ‘good enough’ standard because really streaming is dependent on internet connection speed which can vary the quality which exits itself out of the argument.

                                          And with every gaming generation that comes and goes, it has become harder and harder to notice any groundbreaking differences. It began to get harder when we went from PS3 - PS4 for example. It is now all about just resolutions and nothing else.

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