Valve Claims Steam Machine Outperforms 70% of Current Gaming PCs
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It really depends on your viewing distance and the size of the display. If you’re sitting 15 feet away fom a 55 inch TV, the difference between 1440p and 4k is going to be a lot less noticable than when you’re 2 feet from a 32 inch monitor.
they did the maths
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Just keep in mind that those targets are with FSR.
That’s great info, I had to read up on it
FSR (FidelityFX Super Resolution) is an open-source technology from AMD that improves gaming performance by rendering games at a lower resolution and then upscaling the image to a higher resolution, with versions also including frame generation to increase frame rates.
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I rarely play the latest games, so that machine would be a good upgrade for me. Especially with the ability to load a different OS that I could use for both productivity and gaming.
Bump it to a bigger SSD and 64GB of RAM and I’ll be happy with it.
SteamOS in desktop mode is still pretty great for productivity, im pretty sure you can set it to automatically boot into desktop mode too.
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Most people’s TVs aren’t even big enough for people with average eyesight to see a difference between 1080p and 2160p.
Why do people keep repeating something so easily disprovable? You can tell 1080p and 1440p apart on a laptop, let alone 1080p to 4k on a TV.
If you have 20/20 vision, you need to sit 2 meters away from a 55" to be able to tell the pixels apart. You might see some improvement from 4K but it wont be that significant. If you are 3-4 meters away, you need a bigger TV if you want to start thinking about gaming in 4K.
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I mean the Steam deck can’t max out most games, and it’s been wildly successful.
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Depends on Tarriffs. Unfortunately a $500 PC in 2024 can be like an $800 PC now due to Trumpflation.
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Most people’s TVs aren’t even big enough for people with average eyesight to see a difference between 1080p and 2160p.
Why do people keep repeating something so easily disprovable? You can tell 1080p and 1440p apart on a laptop, let alone 1080p to 4k on a TV.
It depends how far away you sit. And size (inches) of the TV. You sit closer to a laptop than a TV.
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If you have 20/20 vision, you need to sit 2 meters away from a 55" to be able to tell the pixels apart. You might see some improvement from 4K but it wont be that significant. If you are 3-4 meters away, you need a bigger TV if you want to start thinking about gaming in 4K.
3 meters away from a 55" TV gives you a very poor 23 degree viewing angle, let alone 4. The maximum SMPTE recommended viewing distance for that screen size in 16:9 is 2.3m.
In other words, for 4K to stop being perceivable, you have to make your experience worse in other ways.
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3 meters away from a 55" TV gives you a very poor 23 degree viewing angle, let alone 4. The maximum SMPTE recommended viewing distance for that screen size in 16:9 is 2.3m.
In other words, for 4K to stop being perceivable, you have to make your experience worse in other ways.
Oh definitely. I have a large TV because I understand that. I don’t know anyone else with a TV that actually sits that close though. Most people are gaming like 4-5 meters away.
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Are we looking at the same link? The one I see is listed for $1099, so I’m not sure how you managed to spend $1k less.
Though anything with an Intel Ultra CPU should go right in the garbage, but that’s a different issue.
It’s configurable. The base model is $1k. Upgrading it goes upwards of $3k (dunno what the max is).
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Must be nice to have such awesome 15yo machine, as my 6yo still have only 4gb vram (1650s).
If You had enough coins to buy top top tier 2010 rig with 8gb vram back then, You surely had much to upgrade it in 2015, 2020, and also did nice 5090 upgrade this year too! Who cares single 5090rtx do cost 4-6x than whole Gabecube is expected to cost.
Having industry market is awesome, You can find something ultra powered for Yourself, and I can do find some budget for myself too.
Ngl, I’m slightly jealous You’re in the top 30%, even top of the top of it these 30%, that article is NOT about.
Yeah, I admit, it was quite expensive. I never updated one single bit of it, except switching to a 1080 one or two years after buying it, though.
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if you can find any RAM at a decent price at all
Not an issue limited to the Steam Machine, but yeah…
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I agree with you, but, I also realize that I’ve been building my own PCs and keeping up with the ins and outs of hardware/software design/developments since roughly the age of 14.
Most people don’t do that.
Most people (in the US) read write and think at a 5th or 6th grade level.
They just want box that make play video game go whee!
IMO if you “just want box that make play video game go whee,” you should just buy a console (the Steam Machine, for example). That’s literally their purpose.
Anyway, if you, for instance, just buy parts using recommended parts lists (some of the review sites have good enough builds, or you can just use the brain dead “build with AI” option on Newegg), you could probably just pay a computer store to build it for you for a lot cheaper than $1k.
Or you could just read the manuals and build it yourself since the manuals are usually pretty straightforward with pictures showing you what to do. It’s basically just an expensive LEGO set lol. Really, as long as you can read a manual with pictures and use a screwdriver you’re pretty much good.
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Most people’s TVs aren’t even big enough for people with average eyesight to see a difference between 1080p and 2160p.
Why do people keep repeating something so easily disprovable? You can tell 1080p and 1440p apart on a laptop, let alone 1080p to 4k on a TV.
It’s all about PPI. Pixels per inch.
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This thing has 1/6th the ongoing utility cost of a spec’d out gaming pc (assuming 850w psu and something like 4090 and 7900x3d). Granted it’s not much to run a pc like that, like 15-20 a month, but running this thing will cost like $2-3 at most. Its power supply is 43% smaller than a ps5s.
Not gonna be the deciding factor for most people but something to consider. Does 4k120 really matter vs 4k60? Do you really need to turn every slider to ultra? In a world that is boiling with energy costs that are ever increasing?
Power optimization of chips has long been good enough to make that a completely moot point. Unless you’re doing something 100% of the time like crypto mining, or extremely pressed on the price of power, it doesn’t matter.
Even top of the line CPUs and GPUs idle at extremely low wattage.
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This is the moment where you realize that you are either uncommonly wealthy, or spend significantly more of your money on gaming pcs than most people do.
In the whole ~30 years I’m using computers now I probably owned 2-3 computers in total. I wouldn’t say I’m wealthy or spend too much money on PCs, I just get the best hardware available and use it as long as possible.
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Some modern games look like absolute dirty brown water trash when you lower the settings a ton
That’s HROT on max settings and it’s fucking amazing!
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Valve Claims Steam Machine Outperforms 70% of Current Gaming PCs
When Valve introduced its Steam Machine cube gaming console/PC, the gaming community began questioning the hardware choices and Valve's performance claims. However, a Valve engineer stated that the Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of gaming PCs on the market, based on Steam Survey data. It fe...
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They need to price this properly and all will be fine.
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In the whole ~30 years I’m using computers now I probably owned 2-3 computers in total. I wouldn’t say I’m wealthy or spend too much money on PCs, I just get the best hardware available and use it as long as possible.
Hey I’m not saying too much money, I’m saying significantly more than what most people spend.
The first is a value/ethical/moral judgement, the second is just numbers, just objective reality.
8 gigs VRAM, 16 system RAM, 15 years ago?
Most GPUs 15 years ago had one or two gigs of VRAM.
As far as I can tell, no consumer grade, 8 gb VRAM gpus even existed in 2010.
(tho, i guess SLI and Crossfire were things people did back then… maybe you had a dual or even quad gpu system?)
The first 8 gig VRAM GPU was, I think, the Radeon 290X VAPOR-X, this thing:
Launch MSRP of $650.
In 2014 dollars.
That’s roughly $880 in todays dollars.
Thats more expensive than me, right now, getting a 9070 (non xt), those are down to under $600, or not too far off of that, at this very moment.
Meanwhile, most AMD, budget conscious people are probably still gonna find that too pricey, and go for a 9060 XT, 16 gb version, as they’re closer to $350.
Either your specs are wrong, your recollectiom is wrong, or you’re spending a good deal more money on your pc builds than the average person.
A person who is able to save up and buy some.e pretty solid hardware, only occasionally?
That’s a sign of relative wealth, having the ability to save up and plan. Most people don’t have that, at least 25% of the US right now has more debt than wealth, ie negative equity, ie, theyre essentially debt slaves.
Most people are constantly needing to buy new, shitty shoes, that wear out, because they never have the budget margins to have any real savings, but they gotta keep walkin.
Like, I also am a person who will save up a good chunk of change, get a new solid machine that’ll last a while.
But I realize that that is far from common.
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Yeah I tried playing Dispatch on my TV in 4k, and it sounded and felt like my laptop was going to catch on fire.
Lowered the TVs resolution to 1080p, and the game looks exactly the same and the fans barely even turn on.
That could be an optimization issue though I guess.
4k is 4x the resolution of 1080p, so that’s not totally surprising. Good thing you did this too, because I was reading some comments just the other day about people’s gaming laptops failing because of repeated/prolongued overheating.
