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Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    Echo Dot
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    Yes but we all know that Tim is a bit of an idiot.

    We’ve all seen AI made games, they are awful. Terrible optimisation (often not optimised at all), programming mistakes that first year junior wouldn’t make, glitchy looking art and basic gameplay because AI cannot be original.

    Yeah I’m sure they’re really going to take off.

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    • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

      Depends on how it’s used.

      Right now it’s used to replace skilled workers, be them artists, actors, or programmers.

      I can certainly think of a few good uses for AI in games, but to a Corpo CEO “good use” = wider profit margins at the cost of humanity. And so we need to be informed about such things when we spend money on something that is by all rights an artform.

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      aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      #84

      The problem is that the very capabilities that let a game have “way more of something than it could otherwise have” (say, thousands of unique voices reading context-specific runtime generated text) can be used to reduce the need for workers (so one can just pretty much generate all speech in game by paying a bunch of random people of the street for to come over and read text for 1h and then just clone their voices and used that to generate all in-game speech - the quality way less than pre-prepared lines read by a trained voice actor, but the cost will be a tiny fraction of it).

      AI can helps us do things which in practice would otherwise be impossible but many (maybe most) companies are just using it to cut manpower costs even though it delivers inferior results than than trained professionals.

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      • dupacycki@lemmy.worldD dupacycki@lemmy.world

        Tim can suck my sweaty balls.

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        #85

        Careful, his suction might leave you ball-less

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        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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          pearofjudes@lemmy.ml
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          #86

          Steam is my favourite multi-billion dollar monopoly 😌

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          • R reference4054@lemmy.zip

            Yeah, I can’t imagine why people aren’t flocking to the Epic Store. Must be Valves fault.

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            #87

            Don’t forget all the “web3” games on EGS that are the future, too!

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            • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneG gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              And people wonder why Epic games has the smallest market share of all the game stores

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              ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
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              #88

              Take the free stuff, give them nothing.

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              • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                badbytes@lemmy.world
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                #89

                Epic fail

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                • F freddieslantern@leminal.space

                  Entirely off topic: you can block dataharvesting to the epic store from your hosts file.

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                  ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
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                  #90

                  block dataharvesting to the epic store from your hosts file.

                  Is this what you’re talking about?

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                  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                    hadriscus@jlai.lu
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                    yea that’s just playing on semantics. Of course machine learning will keep assisting many different workflows, thank you Tim.
                    Go ahead with your ML-assisted procedural animations, your ML-enhanced denoising, your ML-powered stochastic mesh pruning.

                    What people don’t want is generated visuals/music that try and pass off as art. I’d love to summon debility to explain that the ruling class doesn’t get it, but they do -it’s a convenient way for them to save on human labor that is also… just too tempting to use for replacing art as well.

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                    • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                      jhex@lemmy.world
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                      #92

                      Sweeney is not very smart, is he?

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                        sabinstargem@lemmy.today
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                        #93

                        I like AI, and see no issue with disclosing how it is applied. People who are pro-AI would like to further hone their craft, by understanding what workflows and issues are involved. Anti-AI folk can simply avoid what they dislike. Either way, it is win-win.

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                          bananaisaberry@lemmy.zip
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                          I think I agree. At some point it won’t make any difference because it will just be another tool. We can have our knee jerk reactions for now, though. Especially for people like lemmy users.

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                            spacescotsman@startrek.website
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                            Sugars and additives are in nearly all foods, maybe we should stop asking manufacturers to disclose it on the ingredients list.

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                            • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

                              Yes, like we don’t have Handmade tags in products…

                              I dont know about the future, but a “No AI-Art” tag, makes sense to me.

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                              bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                              I have seen handmade tags, for stuff that wasn’t machine loomed, etc. But handmade clothing is mostly dead in the consumer world, unless you class mass production methods as handmade… Which they are made by hands in some stage

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                              • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml

                                block dataharvesting to the epic store from your hosts file.

                                Is this what you’re talking about?

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                                freddieslantern@leminal.space
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                                Jup, that’s it.

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                                • I imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  Tim: Valve doesn’t understand the market. AI is going to lead gaming industry.

                                  Also Tim: VALVE IS A MONOPOLY AND SHOULD SEIZE TO EXIST.

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                                  ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml
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                                  #98

                                  Valve:

                                  Valve wins.

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                                  • S spacescotsman@startrek.website

                                    Sugars and additives are in nearly all foods, maybe we should stop asking manufacturers to disclose it on the ingredients list.

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                                    monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world
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                                    Waste of ink really

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                                    • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                      I have seen handmade tags, for stuff that wasn’t machine loomed, etc. But handmade clothing is mostly dead in the consumer world, unless you class mass production methods as handmade… Which they are made by hands in some stage

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                                      nuko147@lemmy.world
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                                      Handmade clothes may be not the norm but they are not extinct. Dresses, scarfs and accesorising can be found handmade. Luxury market is in majority handmade.

                                      The point is that the label is not pointless. It exist and will exist in the future. I just hope that games with human art won’t be considered a luxury.

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                                      • W who

                                        PC gamers (sample size: at least 1) say they struggle to think of anything valuable that Tim Sweeney has ever said.

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                                        verdi@feddit.org
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                                        App Store policies from Apple and Google are unacceptable. That’s Sweeney. Broken clock right twice a day and all.

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                                          rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
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                                          “Will” is still a future tense word, right? As in “later, not now”

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