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Handheld PC makers are slowly losing touch with Valve's successful Steam Deck template of affordability, and that's very concerning

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  • K kyrgizion@lemmy.world

    Sell 15K units at 900 a pop, or sell 150K units at 500 a pop…

    We don’t know the margins on these things but I’d think that higher volume sales would be better. But what do I know.

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    molag_baller@lemmynsfw.com
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    Margins could be 0 or even negative.

    Sony for example: every single PlayStation has always been released at a price below cost. This allows them to create an ecosystem with a very large user base buying software, where even in 3rd party titles they at least bring in license fees.

    Sony then invests those profits into scaling, improving, and redesigning the PlayStation to reduce costs, which is why the do slim models.

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      evil_shrubbery@lemmy.zip
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      It’s called enshitification, we knew it was coming.

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      • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        So something akin to flatpak/snap?
        Isnt that the purpose and source of controversy vs distributing them the usual way of repositories?

        Edit: Had some time to read the README.
        Very interesting. But that sounds, like a vendor lock-in. Essentially devs are forced to use the Steam SDK to make it executable on Linux or face the issue of checking the compatibility of every distro, no?

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        Natanael
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        No, the container environment uses default open source libraries. You don’t add any Steam dependencies to make software run in that environment. You can run it without Steam too. It’s just that Valve are the ones maintaining and updating this particular packaging of containers. When Valve releases new versions of their container (including updated default system libraries), you have to test compatibility with it or stick to using an older one. Similar to how Windows software versions would work best with different Proton versions.

        You can use the Steam SDK when using it, and you can also choose not to.

        Flatpack is a separate thing, which only handles Linux software within the regular desktop environment (a different method for packing software dependencies, managing system permissions, etc). The main difference is that Flatpack software can integrate with the regular Linux desktop environment, but the container based solution is fully separate from it (runs in gaming mode).

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        • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

          So what if Steam stops development of the SDK or turns evil?
          What other choices do devs have if they want to keep their systems compatible with all distros?
          It looks to me as if you can either rely on proton/WINE or be stuck with the SDK if you run native.

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          prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Proton often works better than native Linux versions of the same game.

          Just use Proton. Seriously, if you haven’t gamed on Linux in a long time, it’s mind blowing how well it works.

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          • J jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works

            This is why I bought a deck oled even with the other more powerful handhelds already out.

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            Noxy
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            I have the OLED too and it’s such an exceptional device. Works very well as a media PC too, especially with KDE Connect for controlling remotely from a smartphone

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            • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              Absolutely. They make mouse-based games playable with a controller. Gyro is nice too.

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              Noxy
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              Not just playable but pleasant! Thing is perfect for Rimworld especially

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                Not just playable but pleasant! Thing is perfect for Rimworld especially

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                prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                #83

                I haven’t played RimWorld on Deck yet… Sounds like a good way to lose entire days.

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                • NoxyN Noxy

                  I have the OLED too and it’s such an exceptional device. Works very well as a media PC too, especially with KDE Connect for controlling remotely from a smartphone

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                  jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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                  It’s so nice fr, it helps I had sorta “prepared” by learning Bazzite on my spare laptop prior, so got very familiar with the immutable aspects and flatpaks/appimages

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                  • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    Proton often works better than native Linux versions of the same game.

                    Just use Proton. Seriously, if you haven’t gamed on Linux in a long time, it’s mind blowing how well it works.

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                    appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    Like I mentioned: I am gaming quite a bit (lately more on it than on my regular PC) on my SteamDeck.

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                    • N Natanael

                      No, the container environment uses default open source libraries. You don’t add any Steam dependencies to make software run in that environment. You can run it without Steam too. It’s just that Valve are the ones maintaining and updating this particular packaging of containers. When Valve releases new versions of their container (including updated default system libraries), you have to test compatibility with it or stick to using an older one. Similar to how Windows software versions would work best with different Proton versions.

                      You can use the Steam SDK when using it, and you can also choose not to.

                      Flatpack is a separate thing, which only handles Linux software within the regular desktop environment (a different method for packing software dependencies, managing system permissions, etc). The main difference is that Flatpack software can integrate with the regular Linux desktop environment, but the container based solution is fully separate from it (runs in gaming mode).

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                      appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      Sounds interesting and eases my concern about the dependency on large corporations.

                      PS: What I meant by comparing Flatpack with the packaging from the SteamSDK is the general idea behind it (e.g. containerizing and isolating from the OS).

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                      • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                        I haven’t played RimWorld on Deck yet… Sounds like a good way to lose entire days.

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                        Noxy
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                        #87

                        Sure is!

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