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Why FitGirl won't die: The repacker millions of gamers depend on in an age of surveillance

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  • K kieron115@startrek.website

    Steam gets around this problem by doing the decompressing on the fly as you download. Go check out your CPU usage next time you install a game.

    Edit: I think this is also why it defaults to not downloading while you game. Steam doesn’t want you to have a bad experience from the decompression.

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    timbits@lemmy.ca
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    More like check your hdd. Steam goes like this for me download, download, download, pause downloading to extract and smash my hdd, download, download, downloand.

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      Ask almost any PC gamer from Asia to South America, and they will tell you the same thing: FitGirl is the one name in piracy that everyone recognises

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      toneswirly@beehaw.org
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      God bless Fitgirl

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      • R Rentlar

        It was 5-10 years ago, not too hard to find and a little before Google intentionally made things harder to find. I’ve used many public and private trackers, but it’s just that these days my interest in movies has disappeared almost completely, and I’m happy with most of the games I have.

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        kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        If you ever get back into it, look into jackett. Consolidates a large number of trackers (some some setup) which makes life so much easier.

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        • Lvxferre [he/him]L Lvxferre [he/him]

          Note plenty FitGirl repacks are lossless; as in, she isn’t taking less important files out of the game, she’s compressing it better. 90GB→35GB seems accurate; you often see ~1/3 of the original size, like this. And it shows plenty game devs

          1. do an extremely bad job at basic tasks like compression.
          2. give no flying fucks about players, who might have really slow connections.

          And then those same developers get amazed at the fact FitGirl is so popular. “Maybe we’re doing something wrong? …nah.”

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          auli@lemmy.ca
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          No it’s making a choice. Faster decompress times. Considering a lot of their customers have fast speeds it doesn’t really matter.

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          • T timbits@lemmy.ca

            More like check your hdd. Steam goes like this for me download, download, download, pause downloading to extract and smash my hdd, download, download, downloand.

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            auli@lemmy.ca
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            Is this why steam is so insanely slow to download games.

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            • O omarfw@lemmy.world

              It’s more likely that the devs are not being given the time or resources to do this kind of thing properly. Their bosses are too concerned with what will save money and generate shareholder value.

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              auli@lemmy.ca
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              #41

              This implies fitgirl is doing it properly. Which it’s trade off faster download longer install times or vice versa.

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                Might be a better option, or least send the devs some support while using repacks. It’s sort of like a thrift store when you find something you really wanted maybe a game you didn’t even know of, and it means a lot more because it feels like finding a treasure.

                I actually didn’t know that the whole point of fitgirl was for compression, I’ve been blessed with massive hard drives. I think I took my 4tb ssd for granted. Not everyone has even an extra $5 .

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                alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                I actually didn’t know that the whole point of fitgirl was for compression

                The whole point of view of the article is about people from countries that can’t afford the modern AAA price, internet bandwidth… and even PC capable to run the game decently (AAA the full price always take in account hardware that runs on “Ultra settings”; not the customers running it at very low).

                As aside note, piracy isn’t even about piracy itself anymore: someone who buy an AAA videogame on “exclusivity store” (such as Epic)… soon or later will discover that’s easier to store a fitgirl copy of his purchase to run the same game seamelessly across all the PC in their household (good old: Install > Next > Next > Finish) … rather having set up those 2+3 launcher per PC.

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                • A auli@lemmy.ca

                  Is this why steam is so insanely slow to download games.

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                  foobarrington@lemmy.world
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                  It can be, spinning iron has pretty bad throughput.

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                  • F Fiestorra

                    I wouldn’t really say that. The kind of extreme compression Fitgirl does comes with the tradeoff of really long decompression times. Depending on which games, nearly 45 minutes (with a 7800x3D)

                    Some games lack compression but I would not want those long install times by default, if you have a speedy internet connection they usually take longer to install than to download. Don’t get me wrong, for people with really slow internet those repacks are a godsend but they are not “better” on every aspect.

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                    thejoker954@lemmy.world
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                    Honestly I can’t remember the last time a fitgirl release took longer to install than an ‘official’ copy.

                    And pretty much as long as I’ve had a computer it’s been “bottom of the barrel” hardware.

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                    • ronnyzittledong@lemmy.worldR ronnyzittledong@lemmy.world

                      I only use DODI when there is no Fitgirl release. DODI torrents are always behind spam/scam link gates and the installer is horrible. In the DODI installer to start it for some reason you have to press the up arrow or something. Just… why? It’s like he saw that feature on his phone lock screen and decided to add it without asking himself what purpose it serves. The installer is also totally broken if you have changed windows scaling so every time I want to use it I have to go into the properties and disable scaling.

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                      damage@feddit.it
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                      DODI works better on Linux tho

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                      • T timbits@lemmy.ca

                        More like check your hdd. Steam goes like this for me download, download, download, pause downloading to extract and smash my hdd, download, download, downloand.

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                        bitwolf
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                        Yeah I think it ends up waiting for slower storage if your cpu or HDD are too slow. I experience that with slower sdcards on the Deck.

                        But on a decent NVMe with a balanced CPU the download and disk are full bore and the CPU usage goes really high.

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                        • B bitwolf

                          Yeah I think it ends up waiting for slower storage if your cpu or HDD are too slow. I experience that with slower sdcards on the Deck.

                          But on a decent NVMe with a balanced CPU the download and disk are full bore and the CPU usage goes really high.

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                          kieron115@startrek.website
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                          #47

                          Ahh yeah this could be. My system isn’t by any means crazy but it is modern. A tuned 5600x (draws about 115W at full load) and an nvme 3.0 ssd. I’m being bottlenecked by internet bandwidth at the moment.

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                            If you ever get back into it, look into jackett. Consolidates a large number of trackers (some some setup) which makes life so much easier.

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                            peruvian_skies@sh.itjust.works
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                            I prefer Prowlarr personally but yes Jackett is great.

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                            • A auli@lemmy.ca

                              Is this why steam is so insanely slow to download games.

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                              kieron115@startrek.website
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                              Could be a variety of things but yes. It also depends on the game and how compressible it’s assets are.

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                              • P potatoguy@lemmy.eco.br

                                I use it all the time on linux, what problems did you have?

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                                anguo
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                                I mainly had trouble on the steam deck, in the early days. Most people recommended unpacking on a windows PC and transferring the files back then. It might be easier now, but it is more trouble than a game dump.

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                                • Lvxferre [he/him]L Lvxferre [he/him]

                                  Note plenty FitGirl repacks are lossless; as in, she isn’t taking less important files out of the game, she’s compressing it better. 90GB→35GB seems accurate; you often see ~1/3 of the original size, like this. And it shows plenty game devs

                                  1. do an extremely bad job at basic tasks like compression.
                                  2. give no flying fucks about players, who might have really slow connections.

                                  And then those same developers get amazed at the fact FitGirl is so popular. “Maybe we’re doing something wrong? …nah.”

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                                  Cethin
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                                  The thing about compression is you have to process it to decompress it. It may be benificial to people with limited bandwidth, or for peer-to-peer sharing, but it’s probably better for most users for someone like Valve to share the uncompressed version. Bandwidth isn’t the issue it used to be.

                                  It also makes progressive updates harder. The best you can do is compress each update individually, not the whole package.

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                                    hollownaught@lemmy.world
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                                    Yesterday I tried to mod persona 4 golden on Linux. After a couple hours of headaches and some help from the developer, I finally managed to fix the problem and launch persona aaaaand denuvo shut it down.

                                    Denuvo literally shut down my legal version of P4G because I used one too many versions of proton. This is why I support fitgirl

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                                    • hollownaught@lemmy.worldH hollownaught@lemmy.world

                                      Yesterday I tried to mod persona 4 golden on Linux. After a couple hours of headaches and some help from the developer, I finally managed to fix the problem and launch persona aaaaand denuvo shut it down.

                                      Denuvo literally shut down my legal version of P4G because I used one too many versions of proton. This is why I support fitgirl

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                                      vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      Same thing happened to me with Street fighter 6. I was just trying to get it to run and kept switching proton versions and it got locked.

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                                      • A auli@lemmy.ca

                                        This implies fitgirl is doing it properly. Which it’s trade off faster download longer install times or vice versa.

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                                        tatterdemalion@programming.dev
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                                        Decompression during install is generally less of a bottleneck than network bandwidth, so fitgirl is doing it properly.

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                                          Why FitGirl won't die: The repacker millions of gamers depend on in an age of surveillance

                                          Ask almost any PC gamer from Asia to South America, and they will tell you the same thing: FitGirl is the one name in piracy that everyone recognises

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                                          The Business Standard (www.tbsnews.net)

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                                          periodicallypedantic@lemmy.ca
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                                          Folks here are like “everyone uses it. Eventually all gamers realize it’s better”

                                          Me, having never even heard of this in my 30 years of gaming: 🫣

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